/an/ — Why are ravens associated with the goth movement when black

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>>5125157 (OP)
I mean look at this thing

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>>5125158
Obligatory third picture

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>mfw

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cockatoos are too tacky

>>5125157 (OP)
>Why are ravens associated with the goth movement
I would assume Edgar Allen Poe

>>5125157 (OP)
cockatoos live in places without goths

>>5125188
Cockatoos are from Australia. So are Dead Can Dance.
Example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xysE6W_smf8

>>5125192
perry is a bong. the label where they went big is british.

>>5125192
>>5125188
Also, The Bruise were goth but then Kira Puru went solo and did her disco/pop stuff. It's not bad but to go from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H08RA929JKs and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kadQrTuGSqM to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8l_CvE5PJg is a bit of a wild mood swing (if ya get the reference here).
>>5125193
Founded in Melbourne, cunt, where Lisa is from. Are you going to argue that Gogol Bordello aren't a New York band because their members are from Ukraine?

>>5125196
>Founded in Melbourne, cunt, where Lisa is from.
they've been based in australia for like two months. they recorded all their albums outside of it. also lisa cant do shit save singing, she's in there only because perry was fuckin her and he's a nice guy. dcd is literally perry's project and he's a brit paddy. deal with it.

>>5125201
Founded where? : )

>>5125202
irrilevant. if i were born in tokyo from french parents and then lived all my life in france i would be french, not japanese. dcd is a british band.

>>5125157 (OP)
Normies don’t know they exist

>>5125203
But if you founded a duo in Tokyo with a girl from Tokyo, where did the duo originate? : )

the parrot looks like an oofy doofy the raven has strong facial features, basically the raven mogs the parrot

>>5125157 (OP)
>>5125158
>>5125159
That's not a goth, that's a gilded age widow in morning.

Parrots put nuts in their mouth and are named after cock
Ravens eat corpses and throw stuff at cars

>>5125157 (OP)
Because of Poe

>>5125157 (OP)
They don't have a goth lifestyle unlike ravens

>>5125157 (OP)
look up the "vampire parrot"

>>5125157 (OP)
assuming you're asking a legitimate question, it's because crows and ravens are associated with death and misfortune in European culture and have been for thousands of years. tropical parrots were unknown in the continent until the 16th century.

>>5126008
Oh look. It's another episode of The Backwater British Isles Are Somehow Representative of Europe As A Whole. I hate this show.
>the Italian peninsula and Greece have known about parrots since antiquity, ya dingus

>>5126010
they knew about giraffes too but it doesnt mean they were a common sight for the average man; unlike crows and ravens.

>>5126013
>doesnt mean they were a common sight for the average man
Nice goalpost move, kiddo, but the claim was that parrots were "unknown" until the 16th century, not "uncommon". That claim was false.

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>>5126010
Not only that, even the British Isles knew about parrots due to them being exotic pets in international trade along with lions. Parakeets were a known quantity even before the century in courts of nobility across europe.

>>5126082
>before the 15th* century

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post more goth birds

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>Nobles kept birds, especially parrots (called “popinjays” before 1500). Noble women and noble men kept birds for very different reasons which are perhaps somewhat predictable. For the men, exotic species of birds were prestige animals through which to display wealth and power. Every royal and every noble man wanted the most rare and most expensive parrot, finch, or pigeon/dove that money and aviculture could produce. By contrast, their wives and daughters kept and demanded these birds for their species-specific social and verbal abilities.
>Medieval Europeans raised four species of Psittacula parakeets before 1500: the African ringneck parakeet (Psittacula krameri krameri), the Indian ringneck parakeet (Psittacula krameri manillensis), the plum-headed parakeet (Psittacula cyanocephala) and the Alexandrine parakeet (Psittacula eupatria). The highest echelons of society had access to African grey parrots (Congo and Timneh subspecies). England’s Henry VIII notoriously kept an African grey.
>But the rarest parrot of the European Middle Ages belonged to Kaiser Frederich II (von Hohenstaufen). In 1229, this noted lover of falconry received as a gift a rare bird indeed — at least to Europeans: a white cockatoo from genus Cacatua

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>>5126084
Here's another cockatoo known as the "Palm" cockatoo, the largest of their parrot group

>>5126014
>>5126010
Parrots from which continent? Cockatoos are only found in Australasia and Southeast Asia.

>>5126697
That's nice, dear. A distinction entirely irrelevant to the discussion, but nice.
Would you like a jelly bean?

>>5125188
>>5125192
>>5125196
You cunts do realise the most famous goth band of all time literally has a song called "Like Cockatoos", right? What's all this "please notice me big strong American" beating around the bush bullshit?

>>5126834
crap song from a crappy poppy album

>>5126726
the parrots known to pre-modern Europeans were mostly likely African parrots and therefore not cockatoos

>>5126082
why does this parrot look so angry?

>>5127223
Nice goalpost move, kiddo, but the claim was that "parrots" were unknown until the 16th century, not "cockatoos". That claim was false.

>>5125192
>>5125193
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>>5125201
Finding an argument about DCD on /an/ wasn't on my 2026 bingo card.

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>>5128588
You would be too if you were hatched in medieval europe

>>5128796
>tfw you mom was a goose

>>5128796
What does that text underneath say?

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>>5129775
Too low res and the stylized writing is difficult to wrap my brain around. Can't quite make it out. Even with this slightly clearer, full page.

>>5129785
it's definitely Latin, but that font is unreadable. I think the first two words are "Sola India" lol

>>5125230
Keas mog all corvids

>>5129785
>Mfw Goosrot wants sex for the third time in one hour

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>>5131716
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>>5128796
the god of love/lust in india is a dude, but his Mystical Deity Steet is a parrot

i forget the bird's name but the dude is Kama, better known for the Kama Sutra, the literal fucking manual

>>5132434
>forget the bird's name
Google-fu days it doesn't have one. Just called Sukka, which is simply parrot in Sanskrit, apparently.

>>5125157 (OP)
Australian birds were not as well-known as African or Asian birds

>>5131716
hot

>>5132434
>India literally wrote the book on sex
Fellas... I actually love india now

>>5125157 (OP)
Looks more like haute couture.

>>5134056
gross

>>5134911
Hmm... Must be from Pakistan

>>5134916
also gross

>>5134917
Hmm... Must be from Bangladesh

>>5134921
all South Asians are subhuman trash and the world needs fewer of them

>>5134923
Hmm... Must be from Afghanistan

>>5134916
Indians are the lowest planetary lifeform and that's a fact.

>>5134950
But there's so many of them. Doesn't that make them and the Chinese more successful than the other races of the world?