/an/ — Ivory Billed Woodpecker

>>5125439 (OP)
as likely as tasmanian tigers still existing

Worth noting the IUCN was ready to declare them extinct a few years ago, but an emergency report put out with trailcam footage was convincing enough to delay this reclassification. It's still officially just "critically endangered" despite not being officially seen in over 80 years

>Multiple lines of evidence suggest the persistence of the Ivory‐billed Woodpecker (Campephilus principalis) in Louisiana

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10194015/

>>5125441
big difference between a land mammal and a bird that only lives in swamps that are hard to reach and survey

I think it exists in extremely small numbers but that fact is kept as a secret to prevent thousands of listers from going in and doing callbacks trying to get a glimpse of one. I will freely admit that may be copium but I really hope it's the case.

>>5125614
It's not an implausible theory. A small population of 50 California sea otters in Big Sur was kept secret by scientists for decades to prevent them from being poached before conservation efforts took off.

>>5125439 (OP)
Probably extinct with all the supposed recent sightings almost certainly being mere pileateds. As much as we'd all like otherwise, it's gone the way of the passenger pigeon and Carolina parakeet. I'll gladly eat my words, but as long as all the proposed evidence is 240p footage from 1000 feet away, I feel it's long since been over.

>>5125660
it IS a little strange for the IUCN to keep it listed as "critically endangered" for such a long time...

>>5125834
the fuck does the IUCN know? ivory-billed woodpeckers are up there with thylacines in terms of people unwilling to admit they're extinct

>>5125439 (OP)
based Sufjan enjoyer

>>5125834
>>5126081
they were ready to declare it extinct but they were flooded with last minute calls to postpone.

this 2023 report has the most grainy ass bigfoot footage available but it's plausible

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10194015/

who knows what other reports they've seen and are keeping anonymous to protect the area from being flooded by birders?

>>5125439 (OP)
It could still be around but if that were the case i think it would be in such small numbers that it would be impossible for it to return

>>5126159
yeah, flooded with last minute calls with the aforementioned people unwilling to admit they're extinct

if ivory-billeds didn't look so superficially similar to pileated and were, say, as green as a carolina parakeet, reputed sightings would no doubt shrink to nothing
>>5126166
if they are still around in small numbers, the california condor's at least a good (so far) success story of upping their numbers back

idea: capture all the pilleated wood peckers for a year and if anybody spots a red mohawk woodpecker during this time, it's the Ivory-Billed

>>5126166
Birds can be built back up from small populations

>>5125439 (OP)
Not on Sonora, MX. The Cananea mine fucked the local forests where it roamed. I want to believe but is tough.

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so you know how so many people say that people misreport pileated and redheaded woodpeckers as them due to their similarities?
yeah, some of those could just be real instead and dismissed due to their similarities. It takes very little effort to disregard reports, and a substantial amount of effort to get viable, real footage, and especially so for anything that acts as actual proof. I don't know if they're still around but out of all the different animals that have been reported to be extinct, they've got one of the best shots at scientists suddenly saying "yep turns out they're still around."
passenger pigeons are also somewhat up there due to them being able to appear like mourning doves. Less so for something like the carolina parakeet, which doesn't have anything quite like it in its historic range. Though that's the one I'd bring back if I could, personally...

>>5127053
The passenger pigeon is definitely gone, unfortunately. It would gather in flocks large enough to blot out the sky, and reportedly they needed those large numbers to reproduce. That's also why efforts to breed them in captivity failed. By the time people realized they were in danger, their numbers were already too depleted.

Why not look in the greater areas around its range?
Maybe what was left just moved elsewhere, adapted.

>>5127070
That's fine, I won't hold fast to that part of my suggestion. I think the former half is still valid, though.

>>5125439 (OP)
If the Ivory Billed Woodpecker is still around then they migrated somewhere else and are enjoying a life of incognito because another bird is an almost dead ringer for their appearance, prompting everyone to think they're gone
They'd be growing their population numbers and potentially migrate back to their own habitats if they could, like a certain Big Cat that officials pretend aren't still around the area

>>5127085
>If the Ivory Billed Woodpecker is still around then they migrated somewhere else
Wouldn't there be sighting of them in the new location then?

>>5127229
Alleged sightings of them are waved off as being confused for the Pileated Woodpecker, so the average person in those locations wouldn't even know what they saw

>>5127233
is it even possible to differentiate them without comparing their sizes, which is difficult unless you see them up close or examine a dead specimen?

>>5125439 (OP)
would a pileated woodpecker genetically modified to be much larger be much different from an ivory-billed woodpecker in appearance or behavior?

>>5127053
>>5127070
Hot take: passenger pigeons are the swarming form (like locusts) of some other type of dove and the reason they're "extinct" if because the conditions aren't right for them to do it again

>>5127042
i think you're referring to the imperial woodpecker

>>5127338
spec evo-style kino

>>5127236
I don't know, so maybe.Probably will never happen though because the alleged sightings keep getting turned away as misidentification

>>5127338
This is the kind of cope I like to see

>>5125439 (OP)
There are ornithologists who take the continued existence of the ivory billed woodpecker very seriously

>>5125439 (OP)
I wish the Great Auk were still around, chilling on a remote island somewhere

>>5125439 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbjBxnWAWPc

>>5127338
Take was good enough several years ago for Scientists to think the same thing
https://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-extinction-passenger-pigeon--20140617-story.html

>>5129636
>killed off for basically no reason
truly pathetic
>>5131324
what is the mindset of people who share news articles from paid sites?

>>5126215
Why not just capture all ivory billed woodpeckers and if the cages aren't empty we know they're not extinct? Would be easier since there's less of them.

>>5127307
Presumably the bill wouldn't be made of ivory.

>>5131331
Don't sweat over it

>>5127338
DNA analysis shows that their closest relatives are the Band Tailed Pigeons which only live on the West Coast.
Fossils show that Passenger Pigeons were present on the West coast during the ice age, so if they were somehow the "swarming form" of another pigeon species, that species would be the Band Tailed Pigeon.

>>5131324
What's the article say? It's paywalled

>>5125439 (OP)
what about the Lord DOG Bird?

>>5125439 (OP)
>Supposed 2021 video
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaEvqw6pL88
I can barely see it

>>5131324
fag posts paywalled LA Times article

>>5130938
Steller's sea cow still being alive would be fun but unlikely

>>5125439 (OP)
Dead and gone. Way to go humans. Karma is going to be a bitch.

>>5132151
Short story is that material from what we have of Passenger Pigeons suggest a Locust like pattern of growing large in population and depleting in population over and over depending on the conditions
The scientists say to not take it as a 100% though

>>5134020
So uppity

>>5134597
of course we're uppity, putting up paywalls was invented by and exclusively benefits the ROTHSCHILDS. They're the ones that invented it!

>>5125439 (OP)
I still say we genetically engineer pileated woodpeckers to grow even larger so they resemble ivory bills