/cgl/ — EGL vs CGL

>>10972360
I want to be inclusive and super lib but my lived experience of interacting with trans individuals has always been eventually negative. Men are socialized a lot differently growing up, so when I treat a trans girl like a girl and give them a compliment on their appearance, the male socialization kicks in like a sleeper agent and they take it as flirting and it gets weird, when girls just... compliment each other sometimes??? Or if they're in a relationship, the vibe will be so foul and they'll be really passive aggressive towards cis women/anyone they're not dating. When all that comes pre-loaded in a conversation, even mentioning that they could be ita is a fucking minefield

>>10972361
>Find people on Insta and Discord and try being a friend instead of a salty bitch.
I don't think they're asking this in a salty way, I think they are genuinely asking considering how /cgl/'s traffic has plummeted and the old places the lolita community used to use (the EGL livejournal group, facebook groups) have also died out.

>>10972363
>I want to be inclusive and super lib
Just give up with that sentiment and admit that conservative/rw women were right about this. The big problem with lolita comms (at least western) is that it’s too inclusive and left wing. Lolitas complain about men in comms since there have been cases of men being creepy in meets but then are more than happy to let in trans women (men) in their comms, make it make sense. Not trying to be an asshole or say that you should lash out at transppl like a retard but I keep hearing about these unfortunate experiences with trans women everytime and female lolitas need to stop being afraid of backlash and just be more honest about the trans question.

>>10972302 (OP)
>Why is ita mostly dying as an insult? Are we not using it enough, or is it past it's time?

Eh, I'm not big on being insulting generally. I'll happily do concrit, or say I don't like something, but why be mean?

Though as >>10972307 said there is something to be said for encouraging quality, I just personally don't like being a dick about it.

>Brand whore as a concept nearly disappearing in the west

Cool. There are so many good options that why would anyone want to be limited? I also think that with burando being so much more accessible there's not really much cachet to being a brandwhore any more. Anyone with some money can do it.

Ties in with what >>10972309 said about peacocking. Being a brandwhore isn't it anymore, because people chasing that cachet aren't looking for it from the lolita community anymore.

>gooning and its effects on our psychology, how it has stopped many of us from posting publicly

IDGAF if someone is gooning to my stuff, if they're a creep publicly I block and move on. But then, I'm not like 15 and have a very thick skin (and do make adult content on the side anyway) sooooooo

>Ero is back, and becoming popular, but why? Male infiltration, or are we finally reclaiming ero as a community?

I actually credit this to the rise of the AP 9other AP) socials since they often have more gothy/ero/miniskirt stuff

>is Lolita even a community anymore?

Yep, but less monolithic. Online communities in general have changed, moving from forums to short-form video (ew) but that just is what it is. Still a community.

>is the jirai culture online our fault?

?????

>Why do you think EGL as a whole has moved away from cgl?

Lack of activity, and too much hostility/non-lolitas participating. I know I stopped posting much because everything was getting derailed by some troll. I miss old CGL.

>is the time of the Lolita influencer over?

Nope, it's just spreading to micro-influencers like literally everything else.

>>10972360
Wait, what? An actual nuanced take with a logical conclusion? GTFO lol

Thought if you're also >>10972470 then ugh.

Transwomen are women, and different from sissy fetishists. I understand that especially early in transition the outwardly visual differences are slim but group one just genuinely want to be here, and group two...well, it's uncool to include unwilling people in your fetish so ugh.

>>10972527
I do agree that comm leaders need to keep the comm safe. Open, and accepting, and willing to give chances, but overall safe.

I was lucky enough that when I led a small comm we had no issues, and it would be challenging to handle appropriately.

>>10972531
Buddy, friend, pal...I hate to break it to you but nearly every alternative person (lolitas included) are ND is some way.

>>10972531
I never said that. Please read "the cool trans" paragraph again, thanks.

>>10972545
Oh wait lol I see what you mean from that last sentence. Yeah a lot of the EGL community is ND but I didn't mean to misspeak and indicate that everyone is.

>>10972531
If you're on this board you are ND