/co/ — Avatar popularity in japan

>>154142137 (OP)
Cause toph foesn’t have ecchi scenes. Japan would like it better that way.

>>154142137 (OP)
>Is Atla not popular in japan because they already have enough of their own stuff which means Avatar ends up not standing out
its literally just this

ATLA is wuxia crossed with star wars and tailor made for the western audience
translating it to japan wouldnt really appeal to anyone other than westaboos

>>154142137 (OP)
Not that interesting.
>>154142113
>No it isn't several general threads outspeed it when it's out of content hours.
Lying bitch, the only threads that outspeed it are other glitch garbage, death battle and the begininng of a storytime. For the most part it's still the fastets
>You JUST said you didn't pay attention to it, liar.
I pay attention to 4stats not to the board itself. I don't know how popular it was inside the board, only from outside of it.
>The thing you're comparing it too isn't a genderswap and the tranny anime character had literal body mental illness and needed those hrt like meds.
Interesting how you know so much about it, interesting how you also are a fan of digital circus a literal tranny shit, from what I can gather from wikipedia it's genderswaped. It's still a guy that wants to go back to being a guy.
>Cartoons still mog >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all anime slop btw.
Which ones? I've keep trying watching cartoons but they are all boring slop. Even the shitty anime are better than the best.

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>>154142137 (OP)
You also have to consider that there are enough anime that deal with war and have complex characterization so atla wouldn't be that unique, they have even enough wuxia stuff

>>154142137 (OP)
>No Avatar x Touhou crossover fanart
False

>>154142159
>the best.
the best cartoons.

>>154142137 (OP)
What has avatar actually done to break through in Japan? When you look at anime series that were running during its time that got big in the west they had spots on major networks with dubs, sure there was a ommunity of anime fans in the west since before the turn of the millenium but if you want to looks at anime that "made it" and became widely popular they all had dubs and at least some major player behind distribution. So basically I want to know what sway did nickelodeon even have in Japan in the 2010s and what efforts did they even make to try and sell AtLA?

>>154142212
They did dub atla from what I know,

>>154142212
>When you look at anime series that were running during its time that got big in the west
You are ignoring the niche internet communities that were only dubbed later. The first op was also talking about pixiv which is cultivated by those communities. Haruhi and Gurren lagann had fans and a lot of OC before they got dubbed in the west because of the fansubbing groups. I do think nickelodeon sabotaged it by throwing it in a bad time slot or something.

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Here's a better question for this thread before the schizos flood in.

Which western cartoon could possibly compete against shounen anime in terms of popularity, large franchise and enduring cultural influence?

The only worthy contenders are the DCAU cartoons like Batman:TAS and Justice League, Avatar: Last Airbender, Teen Titans 2003 and Ben 10.

The others like Gargoyles, Samurai Jack and Kim Possible lack enduring popularity and impact when compared to the above.

Alas. These examples can't beat the juggernaut that is Dragon Ball Z and Pokemon, not to mention the new shounen anime like Chainsawman, Demon Slayer and Jujutsu Kaisen.

I'm haven't even begun comparing stuff from other anime genres like Shoujo (Sailor Moon), Seinen(Berserk) and Mecha (Super Robot like Mazinger Z and Real Robots like Gundam or Hybrids like Evangelion.)

>>154142280
the reason all those series survive is because they make boatloads of merch of them
thats it, gundam makes toys, so they keep making shows of them

pokemon is the largest brand in the world because it has toys, games, and movies
but the next 4 spots are winnie the pooh, star wars, disney princess, and mickey mouse

and all 4 of them, due to having disneys marketing and merch, absolutely destroy everything else
gundam is only about on par with scooby doo in terms of overall franchise size

>>154142280
I've been told Shaun the Sheep is very popular in Japan. Also Moomins if you want to count that as western and cartoon, enough to have entire stores dedicated to it and serve as an explicit stated influence for several Mangakas.

>>154142212
JP Wikipedia said it aired on Nickelodeon so I will just assume that's correct. Any Japanese kid at the time watching Nickelodeon over the many other channels at the time airing anime would do so to specifically to watch American cartoons.
The western animated shows that are well received in Japan are usually the ones with the cute mascot characters. Spongebob, Pingu, Jenny Wakeman etc.
Avatar is not a funny cartoon animal show so maybe it already lacked the cartoon appeal for a western animated show in the eyes of the Japanese audience. And for anime fans there were already many domestic anime to choose from so why watch this American imitation over those?

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>>154142280
>I'm haven't even begun comparing stuff from other anime genres like Shoujo (Sailor Moon), Seinen(Berserk) and Mecha (Super Robot like Mazinger Z and Real Robots like Gundam or Hybrids like Evangelion.)
The west barely has any mecha9whene even was the last 1?)and for seinen the adult western animation market is extremely different. For shoujo maybe the pony show? For shonen maybe adventure time? Anyways I really appreciate your approach to discussion Tophbro, it's way nicer than the other fags.

>>154142137 (OP)
That's something very weird about this image

>>154142137 (OP)
The most common complaint I heard was Aang was bald and why did they use a western elemental system.

>>154142739
>The most common complaint I heard
From where?

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>>154142137 (OP)
the evil bad guys are imperial japan invading china...

Unlike germany which distanced itself form the third reich that they can watch indiana jones without getting butthurt japan just downplays or doesn't teach the atrocities of imperial japan, they just view it as war is war oh well, we didn't do anything that different from other nations who waged war.

Avatar also isn't popular in china because the hero is a tibetan monk who survived a genocide...

its a lose lose on all fronts for asian markets.

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>>154142167
I think it's a bit of both of these I guess.

>>154142743
A Japanese MTG forum.

>>154142280
Johnny quest had a fan base of people that enjoyed it.
You'd be surprised how many westaboos there were in the industry of animation.

Atla was made by weebs

>>154142379
to be fair these days Japan also doesn't have much mecha, legacy series like Evangelion or Gundam are popular but you don't see many brand new series, there was Bravern but it was pretty short and idk if it was popular aside from among fujos

for shoujo I'd go with Mirculous Ladybug, tho My Little Pony and other girly franchises like Strawberry Shortcake aren't a bad comparison, also cartoons inspired by magical girls shows like Winx Club

Adventure Time reminds me more of "quirky" seinen comedies like CITY

>>154142145
Imagine if atla had actual fanservice(other than swimsuits), it would have been kino and would have gatekept the fanbase from all the redditors.

>>154143383
>to be fair these days Japan also doesn't have much mecha
I wasn't really thinking about these days but more about the genre in general, how many western mecha have we got since the 00s? They are extremely unpopular in the west and always get cancelled unfortunately.
> tho My Little Pony
I wouldn't say that name if I were you, even mentioning it can attract a certain spammer. I remember liking W.i.t.c.h. a lot when I was younger but I don't know how popular it really was.

>>154142137 (OP)
A common sentiment I heard was that the characters looked ugly. On a Japanese YT vid I saw several comments about how Aang wouldn’t sell as a protag/he's ugly, the girls were ugly, or how Toph should’ve been the protag. Basically, it doesn’t look appealing.

Can she bend piss?

>>154143659
>Toph should’ve been the protag
Kino Toph appreciators

>>154143686
No

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>>154143383
>>154142379
Somehow, western cartoons these days felt like they have regressed inspite of the internet giving them the freedom to write more creative and mature stories.

After all, the perception of western cartoons is still in the realms of "Kids Stuff" and "Adult Shock Comedy" in the realms of South Park and Family Guy. The only interesting recent western cartoon I've watched is Primal.

Even when anime and manga had it's own problems such as certain genres like Mecha getting less prominence and the rise of generic Isekai stories, it's still going strong and noticably has better genre variations than the west.

>>154143477
>I remember liking W.i.t.c.h. a lot when I was younger but I don't know how popular it really was.
The comic was super popular, selling over 6 million copies in its first year of publication. Disney attempted to capitalize on its success by making an animated series, but made dumb decision like changing the artstyle and the story to try to appeal more to a male audience and a bunch of other dumb shit which is probably why the show wasn't as succesfull. Losing a lawsuit against Rainbow certainly didn't help. Winx ended up becoming the global success corporate Disney wanted for W.I.T.C.H., which was cancelled bceause investors were no longer interested

>>154143979
Making Caleb cooler wasn’t that bad of a choice and it still got a better deal than Monster Allergy

>>154143780
>The only interesting recent western cartoon I've watched is Primal.
Just because you don't watch much doesn't mean your analysis is correct. I had more fun watching Vox Machina, Mighty Nein, and Hazbin Hotel than any mainstream anime that came out recently, and then there's France, which has churned out gems like Lastman, something that could never exist in Japan.

>>154144127
>I had more fun watching Vox Machina, Mighty Nein, and Hazbin Hotel than any mainstream anime
Nta but why would you restrict it to mainstream? I've tried both Hazbin hotel and vox machina neither of them appealed to me. Especially hazbin was extremely poorly written, even mainstream shonenshit probably has it better.
>something that could never exist in Japan.
Why? What makes Lastman special?

>>154142379
Cute.

>>154142137 (OP)
its not groundbreaking material for them like it was in the west.

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around the time ATLA probably got dubbed and shown in Japan, they were in the golden era of anime. Why watch some westerner show when you had Death Note airing. Hell, even the Pokemon anime at the time was more interesting (diamond and pearl).

>>154144450
Bartender was kino

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>>154144156
You're basically stating the problem. Not to mention the content you've mentioned aren't even that impressive.

Western cartoons only has a handful of shows worth noticing while Anime and Manga has a wealth of content from a wide scope of genres from both past and present

See pic >>154144450

>>154143477
>>154142379
There was gen:LOCK a few years ago.

>>154144156
>Nta but why would you restrict it to mainstream?
That's the thing most westerners are familiar with
>Why? What makes Lastman special?
For once I don't think anime in Japan can depict genitalia without censorship.

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>>154142280
>Which western cartoon could possibly compete against shounen anime in terms of popularity, large franchise and enduring cultural influence?
>The only worthy contenders are the DCAU cartoons like Batman:TAS and Justice League, Avatar: Last Airbender, Teen Titans 2003 and Ben 10.
The Clone Wars is more popular than any of those and it's also pretty big in Japan. Interestingly enough, it was also the first American action-adventure dramatic animated series rated TV-PG (V) instead of the usual Y7, which put it in the same category with Dragon Ball, Evangelion, and other Japanese animation that aired on Cartoon Network.

>>154144867
>That's the thing most westerners are familiar with
And? Even in that aspect the chainsaw man movie was mostly empty spectacle yet it was better than the horrendous writing that plagued Hazbin and this is a shit argument when you bring up lastman, a show that is not well known in the west.
>For once I don't think anime in Japan can depict genitalia without censorship.
Are you sure about that? Anime was less censored on that front than western cartoons especially in the 90s-00s. I'll name an easy example but Golden Boy or Dragon Ball.

>>154144553
>Western cartoons only has a handful of shows worth noticing while Anime and Manga has a wealth of content from a wide scope of genres from both past and present
Oban Star Racer has always been more French than Japanese and most of the stuff there isn't even that great. Quantity=/=Quality.
As for wide scop genre diversity that is utter bullshit, the industry has been dominated by the same 3 genres romance, fantasy, sci fi and sport which are often combined
The most popular shows in the last 6 years were all urban fantasy

>>154144922
>Even in that aspect the chainsaw man movie was mostly empty spectacle yet it was better than the horrendous writing that plagued Hazbin
Based on what exactly?
>this is a shit argument when you bring up lastman, a show that is not well known in the west.
I'm talking about mainstream anime, Critical role isn't mainstream either

>>154144939
>most of the stuff there isn't even that great.
Yet there is a lot for good to great stuff on that list, that was his point.
>same 3 genres romance, fantasy, sci fi and sport
And dram and thrillers, and sol, and comedies, and magical girls and almost every genre that you can also find in LA as well while cartoons made in american were limited to mostly comedy

>>154144956
>Based on what exactly?
Based on the fact that the writing wasn't actually a huge detriment to the spectacle. It was a basic bitch failed romance story with some basic metaphors meanwhile Hazibn genuinely gets worse because of the substandard dialogue and characterization, it would have been better if it relied on other aspects of itself.
>I'm talking about mainstream anime, Critical role isn't mainstream either
but that sounds like a cop out, you are comparing only 1% of all anime with 100% of all cartoons? The original anon you've responded to has never mentioned only mainstream anime so you are just strawmaning him.

>>154142137 (OP)
>The last thread was pretty interesting so let's

NO!. It wasn't.

>>154144886
>The Clone Wars is more popular than any of those and it's also pretty big in Japan
Isn't Lucas lost a lot of fucking money on this show
>it was also the first American action-adventure dramatic animated series rated TV-PG (V) instead of the usual Y7, which put it in the same category with Dragon Ball, Evangelion, and other Japanese animation that aired on Cartoon Network.
The fact that something like Dragon Ball is considered PG in America already makes the US rating system a fucking joke

>>154134790
(1/2)
Let's see, I agree with some of what you've said, most important about popularity not being a good measure for quality but your emphasis on age is misguided when there are anime and cartoons from the 80s that have maintained their grip on the pop culture.

Regarding Simpsons, it's interesting because it does excel at one thing that most anime doesn't, which is comedy but in terms of its other storytelling achievements I wouldn't exactly agree with your claim, Simpsons has good episodic writing and the dynamics between the character are mostly fun, which are 2 aspects that you can also find in well liked anime. Gosenzo-sama Banbanzai plays with relationships and family roles in a more interesting and artistic way than Simpson does, Chibi Maruko-chan has a similar sitcom-ish format and while it doesn't execute comedy as well as Simpson it's episodic plots are always enjoyable and a treat to watch and finally Urusei yatsura for reasons that I don't even need to name. You mentioned one piece, which is weird, since I would consider it a rather average anime but it gives me an idea of what you like about Simpsons, which is probably the vast cast of characters in which case, even though it has become a boring response, I will echo the others and recommend Ginga Eiyuu Densetsu, a space opera that touches on a lot of our social problems and has a cast of characters unlike anything else you will see in animation, including Simpsons.

As for Avatar, it's really not that special if you have experience with enough anime. The best comparison would be Gundam, a series for children about war that doesn't pussy away from showing the consequences of that war unlike atla and has plenty of villains on par with the ones praised in Atla. While Gundam is a vast franchise the highs of it are
on a whole other level compared to the highs of Atla. And then there are of course other fantasy fighting anime, YYH(up to a point) and Erin were both good.

>>154145021
>>154134790
(2/2)
Ojamajo doremi is a toddler show and has comparable character writing, the first digimon has equally dark themes, most of the WM, first HxH, some sports anime like Ashita no Joe and Ping Pong, Hajime no Ippo etc etc. Atla is a small fish in a big pond, that doesn't take away from it's writing qualities but it makes it less special than it is in the west.

I've seen that you made a new thread so i will repost my responses to the simpsonbro

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>>154145016
>Isn't Lucas lost a lot of fucking money on this show
People say this online for some reason, but there is no official evidence to support this claim. The show was expensive - around one to two million dollars per episode - but it was also very successful. It was one of the most watched shows in the history of Cartoon Network, with its premiere being the single most watched premiere they'd ever had at the time. Overall, it was also pretty big in Europe and in Japan, like I said. Plus it's Star Wars in the 2000s, so I'm pretty sure merch sales alone covered all the expenses.

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>>154144968
>Yet there is a lot for good to great stuff on that list, that was his point.
Like PPGZ? Most anime produced is forgettable, that's the truth.
>And dram and thrillers, and sol, and comedies, and magical girls and almost every genre that you can also find in LA as well while cartoons made in american were limited to mostly comedy
You're talking a lot of nonsense, superhero cartoons by their very nature encompass multiple genres, not to mention that even series that started as comedies like Adventure Time or Steven Universe have ended up becoming more action-oriented and dramatic.

>>154145100
Filtered

>>154145158
>Like PPGZ?
Like welcome to n.h.k.
>Most anime produced is forgettabl
Most of everything is forgettable, i don't get the point.
>You're talking a lot of nonsense, superhero cartoons by their very nature encompass multiple genres
That doesn't mean they excel at portraying the strength of that genre, I treat anime the same. Naruto is not a sci-fi heavy drama fantasy show just because it has elements of it.
>at started as comedies like Adventure Time or Steven Universe have ended up becoming more action-oriented and dramatic.
And neither of them got even close to atla, both of these shows actually got worse , bringing steven universe up a genuine embarrassment consider how big of a fuckup that cartoon really is.

>>154144998
>Based on the fact that the writing wasn't actually a huge detriment to the spectacle
That's the problem, anime nowadays are mostly about the spectacle, explosions and cubic debris are given more importance than having a good story
>The original anon you've responded to has never mentioned only mainstream anime
He didn't, I did because that's what most westerners are familiar with, most people never heard about Detective Conan or Lupin.

>>154144450
>Hell, even the Pokemon anime at the time was more interesting (diamond and pearl).
Let's not get carried away here