/co/ — Hazbin Hotel

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>>154150760 (OP)

>>154150760 (OP)
Doubt it. Her hair is as straight as Vaggie’s.

>>154150783
I don’t know who you are. But you are suspicious.

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>>154150760 (OP)
One shot
Two shots
This is where the fun stops

Lol did you remake the thread because you had a complete meltdown at the Lute Eve schizo?

Yes she is. It's been hinted at in the show and by Jessica since 2024. She also gave the spoiler and then had to delete it.

>>154151008
What?

>>154150811
So does Eve.

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>>154151008
Lol yeah he sperged tf out

No. It was leaked forever ago that Lilith is Eve and Rosie is the real Lilith. And considering literally everything else about that leak has been proven true thus far, including mentioning Roo before Vivzie did and leaking Bee's design early?
Pretty much confirmed

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>>154151073
Nope. That was leaked in 2021 from a supposed former employee who was not a writer, they were a concept artist, and they were not certain of many facts, such as Rosie being Alastor's owner. Next.

Come on matpat, you can do it. Try harder. We believe in you.

>>154151071
LMAO

>Lute in way over her head in an attempt to get revenge for Adam
>Just isn't strong enough as she's nowhere as powerful as he was
>On the ground dying
>Memories come flooding back
>Memories of Eden
>Living happily with Adam
>Being tempted into sharing and eating the fruit with him and having them expelled from Eden, committing the first sin
>Adam is a bit dim but loves her and accepts responsibility alongside her
>They live out the rest of their lives but she's forever crushed by guilt she hides
>Can't enter heaven under the burden of the first sin
>Accepts a double-edged sword deal - she and Adam lose their memory of what became of each other, but are redeemed of the first sin and spend eternity in heaven together, but never knowing they're right next to one another

>She remembers it all
>Starts laughing and crying
>"HA! She's lost it!"

>Hair extends to below her waist
>Halo turns gold
>Wings turn gold and enlarge
>Spear turns into a bass guitar
>Stands back up to a shocked audience

>"Have some respect. All of humanity came out of this cunt"

>One final fight
>Goes down putting a scar on her enemy (preferably Lucifer to complete the arc)
>As she's dying Abel appears, frantic and shaking over her body
>"...M-mom...?"
>She makes the same smile up at him Adam gave to her before he died
>Passes away peacefully, rejoining her husband

Fanfiction.

>>154151008
>>154151071
OP of this thread here. I'm not Matpat I just wanted another thread. I like the Lute=Eve theory

>>154151071
>The spergout in question is a character analysis

>>154151091
Hang on.
That particular leaker also said that the way they got this information was because of Vivzie's inability to shut up about her ideas to the overall crew.


Bear in mind that the details of that leak lean very heavily into the overall way that Vivzie writes complete with Eve's goal being to exploit Charlie's daddy issues.

What I'd consider more likely is changing plans based on the leak happening similar to how they clearly changed the plan for Vaggie between pilot and show.

I wouldn't bother. Mat unironically thinks that the devil emoji is Jessica confirming that Lute is a demon and that the Eve theory is wrong. He doesn't care that she straight up called Lute a demonic angel twice, and that, clearly, the Exorcists are not pretty/divine/holy looking angels.

>>154151109
This anon gets it.

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>>154151071

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I can't believe there are people on this board who think Lute and Adam were right. The Exorcists systematically erased at least 6 million innocent sinners for the 7 years the exterminations were taking place.

>>154151151
LMAO. You're the only one that thinks you're spergs are character analysis.

>>154151165
Would you honestly be surprise if the Lilith Eve material wasn’t changed?

>>154151174
If sinners are jews who are gypsies, homosexuals, and downies though

>>154151109
This is some Dark Souls phase change shit.

>>154150760 (OP)
she's not eve, but she'ss made from the same flesh as eve by sera just to keep adam in line
now she's useless with him dead

>>154151165
I spoke to that leaker. I know who they are. I don't recall them saying that. Do you have a source?

It's unclear whether vaggie's have fully changed. In a patreon Q and A, Viv said that the Exorcist origins are still up in the air, that it doesn't matter to the overall story. That was around two years ago. The other reason she changed her backstory is because it was fanon, and Viv has a habit of incorporating certain fanon into her stuff. Also, she does not have complete creative control with Hazbin as she does with Helluva. She would not be able to scrap an entire episode willy-nilly like she did with Helluva.

>>154151199
Are you implying in 2026 that Jews can't be gypsies, homosexuals, and downies?

>>154151193
Matpat shut the fuck up. You keep asking the same question to the Lute Eve schizo. You're upset because their crap theory actually has stuff to back it up. You don't even have Zestial saying anything about Cain.

>>154151233
Zestial's voice actor saying anything about Cain. You don't have leaks, or interview commentary, you have nothing. You're going by he said she said hearsay leaks from 5 plus years ago.

Mat is going to fucking lose his shit in season three, along with a bunch of other schizophrenics, who, for some reason use this show as their escapism fantasy.

Genuinely asking... When a schizophrenic loses their shit, do they need to be hospitalized?

Why does he think Abel is evil again? If anything, his fanfiction could apply to Cain. What's his hate boner deal with Abel lmao. Is it because he's voiced by Fall out Boy?

>>154151193
IMO? Coin flip.

Something I've come to accept about Vivzie's writing is that you can predict it pretty easily based on her conventions as a writer.
>The goal is to ruin Charlie and Lucifer's relationship
Likely stays in. It's a daddy issue thing and it's a "wholesome chungus flawed trying dad" thing.
>Rosie
Has to be something far more significant than what she's let on thus far to give Alastor the power he has. This, imo, is a non-negotiable.
>>>154151220
I didn't say she said it, I said it was speculated on and shows Vivzie's willingness to change things.

Funniest part of all that, someone here clearly took the Lilith-Rosie leak and passed it off as a "theory" because I remember I checked reddit and twitter around the finale and sure enough, people were talking about it like one
>>154151233
I'm not Lute Eve Schizo or Matpat tho.

Pretty sure Rosie is a fallen angel or one of Roo's puppets

Zestial being Cain sounds retarded as balls. Who came up with that shit?

>>154151257
My bets are about the most cynical and demoralizing shit ever. Why would I want to be right about the leaks not being changed in the final show?

If anything I would prefer if Eve ended up being Rosie or something else altogether.

>>154151373
And yet when someone challenges you, you lose your fucking mind. Try harder, loser.

>>154151373
Well good thing that Lute is Eve, so you actually won't be right.

My brother in Christ, your theories are so delusional that you don't even have to hope that you're wrong. Abel being some bloodthirsty maniac or Zestial being Cain is delusional.

>>154151329
Which would tie back into Alastor being connected to Roo in the Zoophobia days.

>>154151010
>we will never see adam wipe lute's tears away
why fucking live
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjkdTT0Wr2w

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>>154151109
This but
>Adam literally just doesn't know where Eve is since she's not in hell and "isn't" in heaven
>She thought she was going to hell whole time out of the garden but the path 2 salvation is repentance
>Lute as a persona is an attempt to return to how things were before the fall, because even though Adam loves her it was never the same (even if it was all in her head) and was led to believe angels would reject her.
>Timegap between their deaths + penitent haircut and Adam just too meat headed to recognize her, comedy ensued

Seras is likely responsible for all this. Asserting heaven would reject Eve and that she had to prove herself (even though the Gman said everything's cool) either planting the idea or cementing it when Eve couldn't face Adam. Adam could not help also by not thinking she'd be in heaven.

>>154151091
Rosie is Lilith became more plausible with season 2 which is why I trust the leak. How is a normal sinner able to make deals with humans on earth? Why is there a specific ritual for summoning Rosie? How can she make someone the most powerful, more than she? Lilith has summoning rituals, but why Rosie, a woman who likely died in the 1800s. Keep in mind that when Alastor threatened to not help Charlie and friends defuse the bomb, Rosie was horrified and called him a liar which gives the vibe that she is personally invested in Charlie. Rosie owns Alastor who disappeared 7 years ago at her behest, the same time that Lilith did. Something is not right about her. Faustise, an ex friend of Viv, called Rosie "deathless" which was implying that she is not a normal sinner. The pilot had background paintings of Liltih getting possessively scratched up by Alastor. Yes, that was during the pilot era, but you can't sit there and tell me Rosie and Liltih can't have some kind of tie.

>>154151467
I didn't say they were not tied, I just said they were not the same person.

>>154151309
I’m predicting Viv just by how much she will humiliate Adam and Lucifer.

With Rosie. It’s honestly really easy to predict she’s Lilith because of how this mystery woman is super aware and attached to Charlie. And her using Alastor to guard her. And the family statue. We only see depictions of the Mourningstars within their property since no one else respects them.

>>154151151
I'm what kind of backwards retarded country hick world is this a character analysis.

>>154151496
Stop talking to yourself Matpat.

>>154151450
>thousands of years ago sera lied and said eve was in hell and no you can't go visit
>"i'm sorry adam, but like it or not, hell is forever."
>hell uprises, eve is still nowhere to be seen, heaven learns that the oldest sinners get absorbed into the hellscape eventually and that probably happened to eve
>adam launches the exterminations as revenge for lucifer and lilith 'letting' eve disappear and having the nerve to lie about never seeing her

>>154151467
>Rosie is Lilith became more plausible with season 2 which is why I trust the leak.

No, it actually didn't. You're sharing a brain cell with the very same people who thought Adam raped the Exorcists. You're watching the show with your eyes closed or watching Viv's interviews. Viv already confirmed Lilith. Rosie is not Lilith.

Imagine trusting someone who claims to be a former employee that said what they said in 2021 and think it's actually still relevant. Unfortunately, that's half of the fandom.

>>154151309
>to give Alastor the power he has
To get completely buckbroken by not even a ranking angel? To lose to another sinner "overlord" down at the bottom of the totem pole in hell? Like the vox Rosie is filler arc or just a human sinner working for [_____] with actual pull.

What you guys always forget it seems is Viv is refusing to give her cosmology over to Amazon as IP. So all the rings and demons and generals of hell she uses in the YouTube show and any self made future spinoff aren't being referenced and that greatly limits what we can see in hazbin. If she's using Roo and anything else seminal to a narrative theory in hellofaboss, the vox spinoff or horsefucker spinoff it's effectively off the table for hazbin hotel because she'd lose it to Amazon.

>>154151400
Again. I have tried to look into that and it doesn’t make sense. I’m sorry but I don’t think Lute and the Exorcists have anything related to Eve lore. Her appearance would have at least relate to it but not even that is happening. Abel and Adam look more like Lucifer than Lute does with the depiction of Eve.

Rosie isn't Lilith, thank God. Viv confirmed it but people still hold out hope. I think they're the same people who think Adam is actually going to come back to life

>>154151649
No, you're actually closing your eyes and covering your ears. But that's fair. Free to hold onto your delusions. Let's just wait until season 3.

>>154151450
> Seras is likely responsible for all this. Asserting heaven would reject Eve and that she had to prove herself
That’s not how any of this winner and sinner shit works. The person dies and then gets judged to be in heaven or hell. And sometimes they are sentenced to hell alive by their misdeeds like Lucifer and Lilith did.

>>154151500
Because it’s properly recapping exorcist lore and what happens in the show.