/g/ — why are they trying to kill it? now these assholes are going

Wayland is much more secure than X11.

>>109050037
wayland looks and runs like shit and you can hardly customize it. it's also barely compatible with nvidia drivers, x11 is the gamers choice. also i've never had security issues with x.

>>109050037
you rely on display protocol to secure boundaries between your programs?
I use firejail for that.

>>109050037
>much more secure
1. how many people get hacked daily because they use X11? have you ever looked at CVEs?
2. why does that even matter when half the shit doesn't work on Wayland and the other half that does runs slower? even gaming is faster on X11 and there's no tearing with XLibre?

>>109050103
the supposed issue is that X11 protocol allows for a lot of malware, and is itself exploitable. (though putting xserver in firejail would help somewhat.)

the real solution of course, is running as little untrusted code as possible... even when that untrusted code is muh "more secure" alternative.

>>109050037
Wayland doesn't have a screensaver.

Just use Wayland. You don't get extra points in life for being a contrarian when it comes to your personal computer's display manager. There are much more important battles that you need to save your mental stamina for.

>>109050318
it's not "just use wayland". it's wait until xfce updates fully or switch to something else, painfully reconfiguring again, find replacement for xdotool, replacement for .XCompose, uncover other little issues with stuff that worked before.
it simply isn't worth it.

>>109050037
A house with no doors or windows is also technically secure, but completely useless.

>>109050318
There is only one desktop environment that works with kwin wayland, LXQt. Even that requires manually creating configuration files to adjust things like keyboard layout, disabling lock screen and adjusting mouse movement.

>>109050318
Just use Xenocara bro, no one has time for all this updoot'n.

>>109050318
>>109050037

I'm gonna enjoy your tears when wayland goes into the shitter.

>>109050474
And I'm just gonna switch when it does cause I'm not a retard who thinks loyalty of software is worth anything

>>109050255
use case for a screensaver?

>>109050780
your usecase, sir?

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>>109050037
Wayland was never secure.
For virtually it’s entire lifespan, every time you sent it 4097 or more bytes it would run an infinite polling loop task forever.
None of them ever knew the first thing about writing software let alone security.
You know how to make wayland more secure? Delete it from existence.

>>109050780
it's cute

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>>109050049
> runs like shit
It *is* shit. I would have preferred they had 100% vibe coded it, the models having been trained on X11 source for the most part, it would have ended up copying it, and we can ignore it.

>>109050318
I have a more likely chance of switching to Mir than wayland.
I applaud the wayland project funders for keeping them off the streets and out of grown-ups’ ways.

>>109050037
Not really.
Security by cutting away everything vital and screaming "NOT MY PROBLEM! LMAO!" is not security. Ultimately all the things that are unimplemented by Wayland devs must be implemented by someone else and not only it creates chaos and compatibility issues but also introduces even more security issues, now spread over multiple different elements.

>>109050112
>how many people get hacked daily because they use X11? have you ever looked at CVEs?
FUD. X11 CVEs are about one program being able to get info out of other programs running on the same desktop. Don't run untrusted software and you won't have this problem. Or, at least run untrusted software in a container using its own isolated nested X server.

Meanwhile Wayland's restrictions made in the name of security are all but guaranteed to be a nuisance.

>xlibre
>runit
>xfce
>No AUR
Yeah... It's artix time

I love Wayland and SystemD

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>>109050037
Literally NOBODY, not a SINGLE SOUL EVER asked for any of the "security" theater of Wayland. I switched to Linux precisely BECAUSE there was no corporation dictating what I was allowed to do with my own fucking desktop.

>be xlibre
>introduce Xnamespace extension to solve the input security problem on X11
>it's statically configured
>must restart server to add/remove namespaces
facepalm

>>109050002 (OP)
they want to embed exploits into all the software, and if they can't, they want to destroy the software.

its what they do

>>109050037
Only on the surface. Internally so many hacks are used to make it work that it creates a lot of new security issues.

>>109050002 (OP)
We told you, Xlibre is the future.
>>109050037
Xlibre fixes the supposed "security issues" with Xnamespace and other security improvements.
>>109050318
Wayland is the contrarian choice. It will die out just like Canonical's Mir.
You think you're niche for using a half baked DRM compositor instead of the display server that's been around for decades?

>>109050037
>>109051660
Why is being able to capture keyboard input and the screen considered a vulnerability in the first place? Literally every other operating system has it the same or similar to X. The prevalence of legitimate applications that use global keyboard shortcuts and screen capture far outweigh the problem of accidentally downloading a keylogger, specially on Linux.

>>109052221
And X does even isolate that.
It was literally designed as a multi-user server with strong isolation between different users.

Isolating between the same users is just retarded, and goes against UNIX's nice simple user/group permission system.
Instead everything now is that overly complex opaque mess with dbus and polkit where permissions are configured by fucking JS scripts

>>109050851
Every time your femboy ass looks at that cute thing a polar bear dies
>There's never been a use-case for the screensaver ever since DPMS was invented

>>109050002 (OP)
Does Xlibre do Freesync/VRR (over HDMI, not DP) and HDR at the same time yet?

>>109052250
>fuck you your use case doesn't matter
>NOOOO why aren't you using my software that can't do what you want

>>109050002 (OP)
why are you such a fucking retard? Sometimes we can imporve things not everything is fucking amish village you fucking faggot!

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>>109052250
>>109050780
I run CRTs and I'd rather not sleep or turn them off, because it takes time for them to reach stable operating temperature again. Plus it's unnecessary wear, heat cycles.
But Wayland isn't an option for me anyway as not a single fucking compositor supports custom video timings (not just resolution, size of porches and sync pulse timing etc ...)

>>109050037
Then port it to the other Unix systems too. Don't leave them to pick up the pieces.

>>109052278
>She needs her monitor to "get up to temperature"
Lmao. This is why nobody takes Xtrannies seriously

>>109052315
I thought X was for evil chuds?
Waylandfags can't keep their arguments consistent, just like they can't keep application work consistently across different compositors.

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>>109052315
Yes the inductance of the deflection coils change based on their actual temperature, which causes the geometry to drift until that temperature stabilizes.

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yeah, will totally use software written by someone who wrote this on the linux mailing list

https://lkml.org/lkml/2021/6/10/957

>>109052356
I don't think windows or mac os developers are any better, they are probably vaxxed too

>>109050318
>just use gayland bro
>just use systemd bro
>just accept tranny dick it's feminine after all
cooked

>>109052379
he's talking about the retarded Xlibre guy who knows neither bitwise operators nor what mRNA is

>>109052387
they linked linuses paid vaccine advertisment

>>109052416
they linked linus btfo'ing some retard who buys into every clickbait pajeets post on twitter

>>109052387
>bitwise operators nor what mRNA is
good thing is that linus is an expert for both

>>109052438
don't need to be an astronomy expert to call astrology retarded

>>109052444
there is more proof of astrology being true than the covid vaccine preventing covid

>>109052450
did some pajeet on twitter tell you that?

>>109051198
>using its own isolated nested X server.
so, instead of running the thing used by default by Fedora and Debian that is 3.54 MiB to clone and is secure automatically, i should run multiple instances of the server built by the project that is 48.49 MiB to clone. and for users that don't manually isolate their apps individually and run multiple instances of the same bloated server, they're fucked?

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>>109052444
wow you should really use this crystal to protect you from bad energy

>>109052199
But anon, wayland has also been around for decades.

>>109050037
phoenix and yserver > gayland
>>109052221
trannies are mentally ill, more news at 11

>>109052506
I'm more complaining about Wayland's design than defending X11. X11 is a clusterfuck stovepipe system that's had about 50 years of hacks and protocol extensions bolted onto it to support things nobody imagined when it was designed. It's well past time that it was replaced with a more modern design.

My gripe with Wayland's design is that it forces security features at the cost of a bunch of useful things. You can't have global hotkeys, "xdotool" style macro / programmed input type programs, screenshots, or desktop video capture without that being added as a specific feature of your compositor. And there doesn't seem to be a standard way to do those things, so a program written to do it with one compisitor will lack those features on another.

Running untrusted programs outside of a container is dumb to begin with since they get unchecked access to all your files and the internet regardless of your display server. But those security features can absolutely be useful, especially if you want to have windows from stuff inside a container alongside windows from stuff outside it. But there needs to either be a way to turn it off if it's more of a nuisance than a help, or a standard way for apps to request permission to do these things, and use it once it's granted.

>>109052444
exactly. taking max shilled mistery juice to your body is quite retarded innit

>>109052679
he says while parroting shit jeets tweet for X monetization shekels

>>109050002 (OP)
Apparently everyone LOVES Gayland according to some survey I saw recently. I can't find it now but it said something like 95% of users on KDE or GNOME were using Wayland. Is that even true? It doesn't sound true.

>>109052696
Is this the new psyop language, jeets and Twitter? I'm sure you will be very successful in conflating not getting boosted like cattle with the two things gee hates the most, jeets and shitter.

>>109052356
linus is a faggot, but this was the right take