/g/ — Has the rise in cost and complexity of GPUs just turned anyo

>>109055610 (OP)
More than that. Technology just fucking sucks.

>>109055610 (OP)
after certain point graphics looking good is about grinding more artist hours to make better assets
imo gaming has decoupled itself from bleeding edge techshit years ago

Games look great actually.

>>109055666
ok satan

>>109055610 (OP)
I just hate the companies that make them.
I can see spending 1500+ on a GPU but only on the basis that it's reliable and should something happen I don't feel like I have to fight just to get a replacement.

At this point I don't feel like I get either.

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>>109055610 (OP)
No, because I'm not a retard. There are thousands of fantastic older games out there which are all available on PC one way or another and will run on a potato. Reject AAA goyslop and meme tracing. Return to soul.

If anything it made me appreciate older games more. Dwm.exe takes up more vram than Bioshock.exe today.

>>109055610 (OP)
Not really, because the games I'm playing don't require even the 3060TI I got and it only got 8gigs of vram.

>>109055733
>>109055638
These two posts summarize my take as well.
People working on games used to focus on making them fun more than nowadays. They also focused on the art of it to the point where even if I can count the polygons it's still more appealing to my eyes than whatever new Unreal Engine "insane graphics" game comes out.
Might just be me, but "realistic graphics" was something I never understood the desire for. Even in porn games I prefer stylized.

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>>109055610 (OP)
>The games don't even look good.

>>109055845
blurry slop ai mess

>>109055610 (OP)
Not really. All games I play don't really need a good GPU tho. I was content with my 1070gtx and the only reason I got an 3090 was because it was relatively cheap for a short while.

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>>109055845
I have a 4080 and use it exclusively to play Classic WoW.

>>109055916
Same here on a dedicated WoW Classic machine but with a 5090 and a Core Ultra 9 with 128 GB DDR5 RAM. Come duel me and my 970 FPS on Firemaw.

>>109055610 (OP)
Other way around. There are no good games that require a modem GPU.

>>109055854
Games on my PS5 Pro & 4K OLED TV look sharper than they’ve ever been
Maybe stop using FSR1 upscaling with your poorfaggot rx 5000 GPU

>>109055610 (OP)
u wot? we have intel integrated graphics and adreno gpus that play the best games on battery

>>109055610 (OP)
Yeah. 3D overall was a cancer on the gaming industry. Back before it was perfected, it resulted in developers focusing too much on it and producing shit games that were clunky as fuck and haven't held the test of time. Meanwhile, a lot of 2D games from before that are still enjoyable.

It got much worse when they finally perfected it. Sure, there are quite a few 3D games that are among the best in history, but overall it was like the democratization of the internet. It filled the industry with normie blockbuster bullshit aimed at room temperature IQ and it keeps pulling away more and more resources from the things that matter. In gaming and elsewhere.

Reminds me about something I read a while ago about how back when Japan was closed to most international commerce and the black ships appeared, they had been spending decades perfecting the tea ceremony, then the normies appeared with their soulless advanced industry and steamrolled them (same applies to most native peoples back then).
Autists just can't get a break can we.

Nobody wants to take chances on game development anymore because a AAA game costs $100M and like 6+ years to make. So when you sit and watch State of Play and SGF it's all the same 2 game ideas rehashed over and over again. None of it matters though, because if the forecasts are true and hardware costs keep rising the industry will cave in and die.

>>109056052
>because if the forecasts are true and hardware costs keep rising the industry will cave in and die.
Thank you Jesus.

>>109056052
Japan and the indie industry proved you don't need these insane production costs to make absolute art. Same in cinema.
I'm so fucking tired of everyone thinking that because capitalism managed to create a stable society it's the best we can do.
It just kills society slower. We need to keep looking.

>>109055610 (OP)

I really don't see a use case for anything faster than like a 3080ti or 6800xt. These new games look like shit and run like shit, so they have to use DLSS and whatnot to even be playable. These products are made to prop the other product up and justify prices, it's ridiculous.

And yes, i've kinda lost the spark and interest in it all. I'm still on my 5600x and 6800xt and there's no reason to upgrade, and i won't.

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>>109056052

All conventional business knowledge comes from the industrial revolution. That era taught people to make money by using repeatable, assembly-line processes. In the information age, that model no longer fits. New products and services must be novel and different from previous ones; if they’re just copies, they quickly lose value. Because there’s little reliable repetition, it’s hard to make confident predictions or long-term investments. For example, the next blockbuster video-game genre could emerge in 1, 5, 10, or 100 years — nobody can predict exactly when.

>>109056007
right but the PS5 doesn't have good games

>>109056153
It has every third party game under the sun. Are you implying all the PC games aren’t worth playing??

>>109056265
You need a super old firmware version console that never connected to the internet to install linux

>>109055610 (OP)
we hit extremely diminished returns maybe half a decade ago. maybe a decade, even
they could keep making games that look like MGSV or elden ring for the rest of my life and I would be happy
the problem is if developers try to target some ridiculous ray tracing level and don't even bother to implement "fake" rendering techniques. I'm ready to skip those games, but maybe it will become the norm if unreal and unity fall into that hole. we'll see. worst case scenario, I have plenty of "old" games to play

>>109055610 (OP)
No, I still like video games.

>>109056265
And many of them run like shit by virtue of being under sony's thumb and having no way to change settings. The original Hollow Knight ran at an abysmal 60fps until very recently, even for a while after Silksong was released. The input lag was very noticeable between the two. Same goes for other games, like some shmups and older emulated games. Many of these indie games also lag way behind the PC releases in terms of updates and content, look at Binding of Isaac for example, or Crusader Kings 3 missing several DLCs. Paying 1000 bucks for a PS5 pro to play bad ports of good indie games is ridiculous. The only thing the PS5 has going for it is idk graphical heft, but even that is questionable because at some point you have to ask yourself whether "photorealism" actually adds to the game, compared to stylized graphics. And we all know these photorealistic UE5 games are utter fucking slop. But if you wanna play God of Whore as some fucking wench as opposed to Kratos, be my goddamn guest. Sony cuck.

>>109056322
Even for sony's dear darlings, like Dark Souls 3, still runs at a ridiculous 1080p when the PS5 could easily handle it at 4k. Same goes for Bloodborne.

>>109055610 (OP)
outside of large AAA games, 95% of games will run on low / mid power parts (the AM4 / Ryzen line is now a decade old btw) because they just so happen to be decent enough.
just buy whatever 8GB card you can for $200 and a $50 secondhand ryzen 3200X and you can play pretty much any game you want.

>>109056350
that shit would even run Doom Eternal perfectly, these shitass newage AAA devs have no excuses

>>109055610 (OP)
Yes, because we need separation of:
1. oldschool gamer (vertex + rop... maybe new tech too)
2. llm (vram)
3. diffusion (tensor)

we already have
4. the card for everyone (and no one)

I realize there will always be people who want ai and stuff and the latest fluff.

Us uncs just don't want it. I turn off as much as I can, and mod it.

Basically, I want all games to look like Morrowind, except without constant fog. In finity binoculars would be nice.

Doom 2016 might have bee the last game that I kinda went "wow" on PC
Remember when people were saying a single 980ti was going to be enough for 4k? Lol

Just stick with 3060ti or 4070ti. No point in spending a fortune because devs no longer knows how to optimize their games.

still hanging on with my 1080ti
i don't play anything new anyways
i do wish i had 4:4:4 subsampling at 4k on hdmi so my text didn't look quite so bad on my lg oled tv i use for a monitor but oh well

it's just not fun anymore, 12vhpwr that melts, $400 for a reasonable amount of ram, expensive ssd's, you name it

idk where this hobby is headed desu, future looks dire

Maybe i just got old, but new big budget games don’t really grab my attention anymore. Newest ”big” game i’ve played is Space Marine II, it’s fine for the 20€ i paid for it but i can’t imagine putting more than 20-30€ on a game anymore. Switch 2 seems cool and has games that interest me, but there is no fucking way i’m paying the absurd prices they are asking.

I hope my 7900XTX never dies because i’m never ever going to buy a top tier gpu again with these prices.

Thank you for reading my blogpost.

>>109056419
alien isolation was released around the same time and is also very well optimized.
[spoiler]most modern games are actually well optimized outside of glaring issues like data leaks, retards just like throwing the term around to justify why their 4GB VRAM having rigs can't play something[/spoiler]

>>109055610 (OP)
Fake frames for fake games

>>109055610 (OP)
>buy a midrange gpu for like $800
>runs everything at 1440p60 (or 4k60 / 2440p120 with gayscaling) for at least 5 years
There are few hobbies that are as affordable as gayming

>>109056052
>Nobody wants to take chances on game development anymore
quite provably false. Companies are betting the house on their 300m game becoming an infinite money printer. A game cant cost 10m and make 15, it has to do a 10x or else its a complete flop in the eyes of shareholders. Theyre willing to lose 300m and shutter a company before they lose 5m. The AA industry being killed off is some of the worst shit to ever happen to games.
i use my 6800xt almost to exclusively play indies and ps2 games. Playing urban reign as i type this and its fun, quick, challenging and has exactly 0 10 minute walking sections that i cant skip. I can download quite literally over 100 ps2 games for the same space as a single AAA and have 100x the fun, 200x the diversity in gameplay, nothing prodding me with advertisements to buy mtx.
I will not touch anything thats on UE5 because until proven otherwise, i assume it just runs like fucking shit and tim is an absolute cancer on gaming in general so much so that i dont even want to pirate the shit. Until it stops raping resources and transparencies like fences and hair stop looking like razorwire im not interested.
Ive also noticed that there are no hidden loading screens via walk and talk sections or riding elevators. All of the loading screens i see are lightning fast but when you hide them through animations/waiting sections, they are perma-locked to however long that takes rather than letting tech get better and loading times lessen. There are enough good games via indie and emulation that i could never buy a AAA game again in my life and be happy. The last game that i bought at full price was elden ring and to this day i still regret it.

>>109056033
Yeah it's honestly wild that Adreno can play OG Xbox games on the go something that was deemed impossible on PC like a decade ago

>>109055610 (OP)
Modern games are all Vaseline smeared slop anyway.

>>109056290
Why would you do that when it already runs BSD and has much better compatability than it
>>109056322
Sony's BSD is much more optimized and performant than stitched together troonix that won't let you play multiplayer

>>109056314
No, you just like mindlessly supporting corporations and everything they do.
Don't lie to yourself.

>>109056636
I accept your concession, sony boy

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>>109056517
don't forget the gorillion of doom wads out there to play, for FREE!

A 5080 and video game piracy being back cured my concerns

bought a 3090 to upgrade my 1080 ti and then it came to me as i was loading up pcsx2
literally why even bother with new games

>>109055638
Nope, better tech lets graphics programmers use less efficient and better looking methods to render a scene. In the beginning of 3d gaming, all the lighting was just Gouraud-shading with a circular dot decal underneath the player, representing a shadow. Then we got shadow maps, stencil shadows, SSAO, Global illumination and raytracing and path tracing. Gaming is literally the main motivation to develop better computer technology. It is that important

I realised this last time I upgraded my gpu from an rx570 to an rx6600 xt then didn't end up playing a single game that required it

>>109055610 (OP)
If anything, it got me more interested. I think PCs/GPUs are a good investment when you consider how bad consoles are becoming. I only upgraded to 'future-proof' my system because I don't see prices coming down if ever.

>>109055610 (OP)
I got a 3090 last year and it can do everything I want. I guess if you make money using your pc then you might want the newest thing, but I also came up from a 1080 ti, purely for WAN/CUI.

the modern era of hardware feels kind of soulless
i bought 50 series, but the 30 series was peak

You should have buyderized a blackwell 6000 by now.

Are there any real mid-end GPUs these days? Whenever I look around it feels like everything is either bargain bin garbage or $1000+ and nothing in between. I just want a ~$250 slopcard that can handle a little bit of occasional, not intensive gaming.

>>109057940
mid range is ps5 aka 6700xt/7700xt/9060xt.

>>109057940
are 1080tis still like ~150? Just get one of those if you don't play anything modern. Feels like the last gpu before everything went weird.

>>109055610 (OP)
A lil yeah