/his/ — average professing christians face when you say you are cert

>>18515636 (OP)
>going to heaven when you die
belief in after death fantasy lands is heretical

>>18515636 (OP)
That face is extremely scary wtf, I thought seals were cute. Do demons show themselves as animals sometimes?

>>18515639
your ignoring what Jesus said in the scripture then

>>18515640
im not sure but if scripture contradicts it then no

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>>18515636 (OP)
Most people in the world operate on cargo cult logic rather than "faith."
I don't know the ramifications of the fact the only philosopher who seemed to understand "faith" was a Danish autist in the 1800s but they probably don't bode well for the human race.

What I am referring to is that people don't understand what Jesus is. They think everything is sort of like luck. And that by kissing statues or making prostrations or crossing yourself etc they can increase their chances of "Jesus luck." Similar to how cargo cultists would build effigies of planes to "bring" airplanes to the village delivering cargo. No idea *what* an airplane is. Not *faith* in an airplane, or they wouldn't need to build effigies at all. Just a sort of "increase the odds to win" logic.
They don't actually believe that Jesus Christ paid for their sins. They just want more Jesus-luck.

>>18515655
Great post, you just bodied all the christian freaks on this board

>>18515655
THIS IS SO TRUE AND PUT IN A WAY IVE NEVER HEARD BEFORE THANK YOU

>>18515640
Its just a photoshopped image meant to look scary.

>>18515656
>>18515657
please just try to not samefag so obviously

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>>18515656
I'm a Christian.

>>18515660
picrel

>>18515642
post the verse and I'll explain your misunderstanding

>>18515636 (OP)
It doesn't matter if I rape and mutilate young children and then sharpen their bones for toothpicks.
Because I accepted Jesus into my heart. I'm going to heaven. I know I'm going to heaven because I accepted Jesus.
It doesn't matter that St. Paul said to work out our faith with fear and trembling because I have an interpretation of scripture that says I go to heaven no matter what.
What is my interpretation based on? On the scriptures dude. Nevermind that the ten thousand other denominations also base their interpretation on scripture. They're wrong and I'm right.

>>18515684
your hypothetical anecdote is a good example why belief in after death fantasy lands is heretical gibberish

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>How do I know my interpretation of scripture is correct? Because it's in the scripture.

>>18515684
>It doesn't matter if I rape and mutilate young children and then sharpen their bones for toothpicks.
>Because I accepted Jesus into my heart. I'm going to heaven. I know I'm going to heaven because I accepted Jesus.

Interesting how your mind immediately went to that. After all, God is he who "searcheth the reins and the hearts" and "out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh."

>>18515686
Heretical to actual Christianity, yes. Only protestants believe in "faith alone".
They literally believe that they are guaranteed entry to heaven by simply "accepting Jesus". After you accept Jesus (no one can define what this means) then it doesn't matter if you rape and murder because you still go to heaven.

Actual Christians don't believe in this nonsense. Protestants love their easy, lukewarm heresy which requires no repentance or struggle.

>>18515688
Interesting how you can't refute it because it is 100% an accurate depiction of Sola Fide.

>>18515690
Come off it, choncho, we know most catholics aren't exactly leading lives of struggle and penitence

>>18515690
>After you accept Jesus (no one can define what this means)
It is when you believe and accept that Jesus, as infinite God, has made an infinite atonement for your sins to the Father in Heaven.
Or do you think Jesus, infinite God, only atoned for a few of your sins? Is he lacking in ability?

>Actual Christians don't believe in this nonsense. Protestants love their easy, lukewarm heresy which requires no repentance or struggle.
You don't actually believe repentance matters. You believe eating a cookie matters. If you believed repenting of your sins was a requirement to go to Heaven you'd realize you'd never make it their, for "there is none good but one, that is God."
All sin is *worthy* of Hell, you must actually believe this in your heart before you can accept the propitiation which is in Jesus Christ.

>>18515699
I'm Orthodox, but you're probably right. Ultimately only God knows.

>>18515706
None of what you're saying matters because you can't justify your interpretation of the scripture.
Christianity is not a book based religion, only protestantism is. Orthodoxy has the deposit of faith passed down from the apostles through Holy Tradition. Protestantism was made up from nothing five hundred years ago.

>>18515713
>Protestantism was made up from nothing five hundred years ago.
I'm Anglican (ACNA) and our bishops have had hands laid on them in ordination tracing back to the Apostles. Most of our bishops publicly display their lineage documents. So if apostolic succession is your only concern, you can come off it.

>>18515713
>None of what you're saying matters because you can't justify your interpretation of the scripture.
You have to be over 18 to post here.
If you are, well then I'm not shocked you've read literally nothing on theology until you were exposed to orthotwitter and then glommed onto it because it was le exotic.
You already and easily resort to just going "nuh uh" because you've ran out of arguments.

>Orthodoxy has the deposit of faith passed down from the apostles through Holy Tradition.
This is what I mean. Which* orthodoxy? There's quite a few.

>Protestantism was made up from nothing five hundred years ago.
I don't 100% align with Martin Luther or John Calvin but you have read literally nothing they wrote if you believe this.
"He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him."

>>18515728
Apostolic succession is not my main concern, otherwise the Catholics would have the true faith too. I'm concerned with the fact that the Catholics preach heretical doctrine, and so do the Anglicans considering that you ordinated a WOMAN to be your head bishop. If that doesn't convince you that Anglicanism is a total clown show joke heresy then nothing will.

>>18515730
>doesn't even attempt to justify his interpretation of scripture
I'll take that as your concession. You know it's true that your interpretation is relative and any argument you make after that point is irrelevant. Your whole worldview is based on nothing.

>>18515745
If I posted scripture you'd just say "nuh uh"
"There is none good but one, that is God" SHOULD be enough for anyone with an honest heart to further search the scriptures, but alas. "Many good works have I done in thy name, Lord!" will be a verbatim quote from you at the Judgement.

>>18515751
>my interpretation of scripture is true because... uhm... b-BECAUSE IT JUST IS OK??

>>18515753
You believe God can't write a book, but some guys in dresses can teach you about God. You actually believe in Jesus-luck, as previously discussed. Wizard robes = more magical = higher Jesus-luck. And so on and so forth.

>>18515756
Umm no. I believe in smoke-machines and rock concert rap church.
I go to RHYTHM church yo and my pastor has a broccoli haircut. We saved twenty people last week because they accepted the LORD.

Don't ask me who compiled the bible because I don't want to think about that.

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>>18515760
>Umm no. I believe in smoke-machines and rock concert rap church.
Good for you, but I don't.

>>18515745
>you ordinated a WOMAN to be your head bishop
ACNA, dude.

dualism is the only religion that makes sense and i'm fucking tired of pretending otherwise

>>18515788
Dude half of your dioceses ordinate women as deacons and priests. And you're supposed to be the "based" Anglicans. Give me a break.

>>18515807
Thanks for looking us up, at least. Why do you feel qualified to talk down about something you weren't aware of before you googled it 5 minutes ago?

>>18515807
You've got a lot of hatred in your heart, anon. You might want to pray on that. That's not normal for a saved man.

>>18515807
women were deacons, priests, and prophets in the first generations of Christianity
all are made one in Christ, unless you only care about the appearances of the world

>>18515810
Alright, forgive me. What are the opinions of people in your parish?

>>18515812
Here comes the faggot pharisees to tell the rest of us we're not pious like he is. It doesn't matter what I do as long as I already accepted Jesus, bro.

>>18515814
Name one female priest from "the first generations"

>>18515832
>Name one female priest from "the first generations"
St. Phoebe

>>18515839
Not a priest.

>>18515841
massive cope

>>18515844
Lol nice argument. I asked you to name a female priest and you couldn't even find a single one.

>>18515832
>It doesn't matter what I do as long as I already accepted Jesus, bro.
One who accepted Jesus repents. If you're not repenting, you didn't honestly accept Him.

>>18515854
Repentance is not a requirement for salvation according to Sola Fide

>>18515832
>Alright, forgive me.
Done and done, anon. Won't think of it again.
>What are the opinions of people in your parish.
We don't like the ordination of women in our church because it's explicitly in 2 Timothy that women are not to teach men. There is some question as to whether 2 Timothy was actually written by Paul or not, but we all agree on its validity.
In essence you can think of us more along the lines of Old Catholics, like before the whole, "The pope is infallible thing." We use the creeds, we take communion every week, we baptize babies and confirm them later in life when they accept Jesus as their savior.
What else would you like to know?

>>18515847
She was named a deacon, a role essentially interchangeable with priests in the early church (2 Timothy 4:5, where the same term means 'ministry')
but I guess you didn't even know that, which is why I said you are coping

>endless minutiae for anons to feel smart about

>>18515858
Wrong, repentance is necessary to accept baptism, through which salvation is granted through grace.
No repentance, no baptism. No baptism, no grace. No grace, no faith. No faith, no salvation.

>>18515858
Just say you don't understand the relationship between faith and repentance, my brother. I would be happy to teach you.

>>18515863
Before that, even repentance is necessary to be faithful to Christ.
>From that time Jesus began to preach, saying, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.”
You can't have faith in Christ in the first place if you don't believe Him when He says you need to repent.

>>18515860
The word 'deacon' is taken from the Greek word διάκονος (diakonos) which directly translates directly to 'servant' or 'helper'. Does not necessarily mean a priestly position, and St. Paul uses the word to refer to other people who are not clergy.

Saint Phoebe and other women in this role were designed to give pastoral care to women and children. They aided in baptisms, as they used to be done naked. But they were not priestly positions, so women still did not hold positions of clergy.

>>18515872
>>18515868
According to Lutheran theology, the work of repentance is not necessary for salvation through faith ALONE. Astonishing ignorance on display here.

>>18515874
There is no reason that it doesn't mean a ministerial position, especially how Paul uses it in the salutation in Romans. In fact, how she chief receives the first greeting of the section and how he asks for the church to receive her implies that she is indeed being sent in a ministerial role rather than a mere servant.
You're coping again.

>>18515882
There are exceptional cases - especially when it comes to holy people - where women can administer a pastoral or ministerial role for other women without being a part of the clergy. There is no evidence for example that she administered the sacraments, which would prove that she actually held the office of priesthood. Paul specifically wrote that women were not to teach men.

>>18515859
Well I hope the best for you. I wasn't aware of your jurisdiction of Anglicanism before you mentioned it but I'm glad that there are some of you who oppose the modern insanity.

>>18515885
>Paul specifically wrote that women were not to teach men.
Of the undoubted letters, he does not. 2 Corinthians 14:34 plainly contradicts his earlier discussion in 11 which flatly assumes women both praying and prophesizing in church, to the extent it is either a later addition by the ossifying Pauline school or a reference to the conflict in the Corinthian church which we will never know.
Again you are coping. Why do you think we are not equal in Christ? Do you think he does not unite all creation in Him?

>>18515699
that’s literally the point
it’s hard, few are those who find it, etc.

>>18515890
Dude your interpretation of scripture is literally as valuable as the schizophrenic homeless man taking a dump next to the bus station.
You're not in the historic church which is why you believe in some fringe marxist-feminist retardation that justifies itself by "doubting" the actual scripture that real Christians adhere to.

What even is your canon of scripture?

>>18515902
yawn and more cope
Worship the Lord Jesus Christ, not your delusions and presuppositions.

>>18515903
You don't even know what canon of scripture you adhere to. LMAO
You need clown shoes and a clown nose and you can walk around and pie yourself in the face.

>>18515892
>it’s hard
not in the text
>few are those who find it
because they are blinded by pride. "ears to hear," remember?
You really think that "its hard to get saved" is "literally the point" of the Gospel? the "Good News?"
Rather, it is few who are able to set aside their pride and admit that all their works are as "filthy rags" before God. Again, the cry of the multitudes of the damned on judgment day will be "many good works have we done in your name, Lord!"... do you think that the people who trusted in Jesus alone ("sola fide" etc.) would shout this?
Rather,
>And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
>For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
>But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

There is none righteous, not one, including you, I, and everyone. Let your deeds be reproved, that you may "do truth."