/his/ — Book of Revelation

>>18530870 (OP)
Because it corroborates the Prophets' apocalypses. Other stories like this are full of stupid bullshit.
John's Revelation was clearly written by someone serious, with encylopedic knowledge of the Old Testament Prophetic Books.

>>18530870 (OP)
>and nobody considers those visions to be legitimate.
Except Christians, as you've already stated, which are 2.6 billion people in the world


You believe in what?

>>18530870 (OP)
they don't, jews push dispensationalist views of Christianity because that is what they want all Christians to be like. Ideas that they matter, that jews matter, are heretical nonsense. The temple was rebuilt already, the work completed, and there will be no return of Jesus.

>>18530870 (OP)
It was a true vision and the book is holy scripture, the word of God.

Revelation was just cryptic, rebellious propaganda to subvert Roman authority.

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>>18530870 (OP)
If we look at the Bible from a purely Historiographical perspective and not a religious one, the Early Church was basically an overglorified book club. Revelations entered into the official Canon because it gave the Bible a cohesive narrative, beginning with the creation of the world in Genesis and logically ending with the apocalypse.
I personally like to believe that John of Patmos was on drugs when he wrote Revelation and that it was the earliest piece of psychonaut literature in the western canon.

>>18530891
>okay, so, we're all going to be violently persecuted, and if it weren't for God's direct intervention, we'd all be executed by the government
I dont see how this is "rebellious" and "subverts authority"

>>18530894
>If we look at the Bible from a purely Historiographical perspective and not a religious one
We will enjoy Hell

>>18530887
Why should I worship a god that got comically wrong something as simple as whether Noah's flood happened?

>>18530899
Because it paints the state of Rome as inherently wicked and oppressive, only worthy of resistance, which is why it's depicted with the codeword "Babylon," and that was a common deragatory name for Rome by Christians in those days.

>>18530904
>only worthy of resistance
Revelation literally teaches Christians to dutifully submit to execution. Which they did. These mass persecutions are historical facts. You're too pseud for your own good.

>>18530902
Who gave you the authority to pass judgement on your creator, insect?

>>18530899
It pushes the myth that the Roman state was in the wrong and by comparing them to Babylon, it also promotes the myth that Babylon ever did anything wrong

>>18530904
>the state of Rome as inherently wicked and oppressive, only worthy of resistance
In this godless age, wicked anarchism such as has been promulgated for 500 years from the Anabaptists of the past to the Marxists of today is seen as the only means of opposing rulers, and if you do not deride them or their just authority, it is assumed you support them and everything they do. Not so in scripture. Scripture condemns in the sharpest terms those who disparage the lawful authority of the state, Jude 8 (which are God’s ministers, Romans 13) and commands submission to them since their authority is not from men, but from God, with the means of the conquest of the nations being not weapons of warfare (Isaiah 2:4) but prayer (1 Timothy 2) and the preaching of the gospel (Matthew 28:19).
>>18530912
Enjoy Hell

>>18530907
Their lack of submission to worship the state of Rome and the Emperor is still an act of rebellion.

>>18530923
>Lawful authority of the state
However that's defined.
I guess enjoy the mark of the beast.

>>18530899
They refused to worship the Greco-Roman pantheon and were therefore traitors to Rome.

>>18530923
>Enjoy Hell
you are literally a jew (you admitted it) and jews don't believe in hell

>>18530951
>>18530953
What's it to you? What are you, a flamen?

>>18530951
The authority of the state is ministerial. They have authority from God to enforce His law, but otherwise they are without authority, especially to rebel against His authority and set themselves up as rival idols to receive false worship. Only improperly is the state said to legislate.
>>18530973
I’m a true Jew, that is, a Christian.

>>18530978
Yes.

>>18530979
So if you lived in Ancient Rome, would you submit to their authority and worship their gods?

>>18530986
Asked and answered.

>>18530979
>I’m a true Jew
no, you admitted to being a non-christian jew. you larp as a christian and threaten people with a hell that you do not personally believe exists. you're a mentally deranged sadist and if there was a hell you would absolutely be going there

>>18530992
My ethnic background is Germanic and I have never been affiliated with the Jewish religion, but biblically I am a true Jew because I alone worship the ancient God of the Jews.

>>18530995
>I alone worship the ancient God of the Jews
then you're a noahide because worship is not an authentic aspect of Christianity, its idolatrous devil worship. Why? because christians collectively form the body of Christ, the one true living God, and for God to worship anything is sacrilege.

>>18530990
Sure, you wouldn't, obviously.
You would choose to be fed to lions than give up your faith, so you get the gist of why Revelation can be seen as subversive propaganda.

>>18531010
The Christian religion was the opposite of subversive, obeying Caesar’s lawful commands while seeking the best for him by ministering the gospel to him and praying for his conversion.

>>18531015
The Christian religion was highly subversive because it refused to recognize the divinity of the Emperor, which was seen as treason.

>>18531015
>obeying Caesar’s lawful commands
If that were true, you would be pagans. But you are not and therefore do not obey Caesar’s laws

>>18530904
Didn't know christians were early rastafaris

>>18531026
That wasn’t lawful.
>>18531023
It may have been seen as such, but it was erroneous.

>>18531032
>That wasn't lawful.
Then why execute Christians? Oh, right, because practicing that religion was illegal, and therefore rebellious.
Rebellion doesn't mean violence. There are many peaceful ways to rebel, and Christianity was so subversive in Rome it eventually became the state religion.

>>18531038
>Then why execute Christians?
Because Caesar was hostile to Christ.
>Oh, right, because practicing that religion was illegal, and therefore rebellious.
But Caesar had no authority to supersede God’s own commands and criminalize the true religion. I grant he had power to do so, but power and authority are not the same thing. A robber on the highway has the power to seize people’s valuables, but no authority. Authority can only come from the institution of God, for His own purposes.

>>18531032
It was, anyone and everything who denies paganism is inherently treasonous to the universe and ignorant of true theology.

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>>18531047
Your “god” Yahweh is not a real god like Zeus is.
Your “god” Yahweh is Typhon, the embodiment of chaos and father of all monsters.
The bible itself proves this
>It claims Yahweh will try to destroy this world (Book of Revelation)
>It claims Yahweh is jealous of other gods (Deuteronomy 4:24 and Joshua 24:19)
>It claims Yahweh is the “destroyer of nations” (Jeremiah 4:7)
There's also the fact that Chaeremon, Apion, and Manetho all linked Yahweh to Set, the Egyptian god of chaos, destruction, and foreigners, whom later Egyptians equated with Typhon.
You accuse the Olympians of being “demons,” but the reality is that the only "demon" here is Yahweh whom you worship.
This is why your “god” forbids images of him, because he looks like this.

>>18531047
These are besides the point.
The argument was that Christianity was rebellious and subversive. You said it wasn't, when all historical evidence show that it was. It was nothing to do with how you believe authority to be justified.

>>18531053
>>18531047
>It claims Yahweh is the “destroyer of nations” (Jeremiah 4:7)
I should also mention that the phrase “destroyer of nations” is translated from the Hebrew phrase mashkhít goyím (משחית גוים) and in some versions of the Bible, this phrase is translated as “destroyer of gentiles.” They are literally calling him the “destroyer of goyim,” this only proves that Yahweh-Typhon is a demon.

>>18531054
Authority and justified authority are one and the same thing. It is not “subversive” to tell thieves not to steal.

>>18531065
Subversion isn't inherently immoral.
You can subvert ones ideology by proposing an alternative framework that appears more justified.
You can subvert the law by going into hiding for breaking it, which is exactly what Christians did.

>>18531068
Resistance to an unlawful command is not subversion.

>>18530911
Who gave you the authority to question Allah, insect?

>>18531090
It's subverting an unjust power structure.

>>18530870 (OP)
It was mainly liked because it solved the, "Is Jesus actually God?" question for the Church. Many early Christian movements did not think that Jesus was literally God, but instead an agent of God or perhaps a lesser deity. That the Son and the Father were not co-equal.
Revelation was useful because it answered that question with a 'yes, Jesus is God'.

>>18530911
My creator is Zeus, not Yahweh. Zeus is the demiurge described in Plato’s Timaeus who fashioned the universe.

>>18531113
Yahweh is not the demiurge, he is above the demiurge. His first-born son and the highest angel and high priest of heaven, Jesus Christ, is the demiurge who created the world and descended to the lowest realm in a flesh body made of the sperm of David so that he could liberate it from the fallen angels like Satan and his attendants, exactly as foretold by scripture.

>>18530870 (OP)
my favorite part of the book is when a legion of locusts attack, but they're not ordinary locusts, they're locusts wearing chainmail.

>>18531166
Nope. Yahweh is a mini shitstain demon from the Sinai and Rabbi Jesus a conman. You are spiritually blind to think actual gods are “demons” and that the actual demon here (Yahweh) is somehow the “one true god”

>>18531363
Enjoy Hell

>>18531363
*minor shitstain demon
>>18531374
Nah I’m going to either Elysium or the Asphodal fields. Meanwhile it is you you will burn in Tartarus