/k/ — Suppressor thread

>>65219366 (OP)
Only real thing I can discuss since I haven't had a need for a new can in the last 6 months is that I'm a little surprised prices haven't fallen faster. I wonder if ATF is still being kinda gay when it comes to import/manufacturer licenses/paperwork and thus protecting the big existing players, because there's no reason in principle someone by this point shouldn't have setup shop just importing $50 chink "oil filters" drilling a hole and filing form 3s then selling 'em for $100.

>>65219384
I'm not sure if there's a market for it yet.
It's still a pain to obtain a suppressor. Many buyers think "well, if I'm going to go through the trouble, I might as well get a really good one".

>>65219366 (OP)
Pity there aren't American suppressors on the Euro market
Would love to compare without just reading about stats

>>65219494
>It's still a pain to obtain a suppressor
It really isn't though? I guess the very first time getting electronic prints is still some effort if there is no kiosk nearby but then you're done. You can do the photo with your phone now. You make an online account like we all have for a billion things. Everything else is automated, dealer takes care of it, you just sign with your pin and then wait a few days. No more $200 fee, no long wait, no ink. It's not literally "buy it off the shelf and walk out" but the work level isn't much different then a gun where you need to do a form too.

I mean yeah my views are absolutely colored by all those years of bullshit and having to go to a pharmacy and carefully tape it onto the paper forms and go to the police for ink prints and copy the CLEO and then wait 8-11+ fucking months with my $200 good boy check attached. I still think suppressors shouldn't be regulated at all. But the burden at this point seems so radically less and interest much higher. And how can you know what the market is if you don't try?

So I'm more inclined to suspect the government is still putting its weight on the scale, just no longer in as obvious an end-user way. They do this in all kinds of industries afterall, protect incumbents from disruption when politically convenient.

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>>65219366 (OP)
>discuss
Quitely.

I picked up 5 suppressors from Capitol Armory today. Nothing exotic, just padding out the basics:

>Velos LBP 762
>Omega 9k
>Obsidian 9
>Oculus 22
>Turbo K RB

I appreciate that the tax stamp is just $0.00 today. Still think the NFA and ATF are unconstitutional and should both be abolished though.

>>65219366 (OP)
Only have two suppressors at the moment.
>Rugged Sub9
Pretty much the best (silent) bang for the buck in my eyes. The included mount is pretty slick and the actual performance with subs is great. Slight tuning fork ring sometimes but other than that its just the click-clack of the gun and the sound of the round hitting the backstop.
>OCL Polonium K
It works I guess and its gassy. Good for taking the edge off the muzzle blast but you'll certainly want to build the 5.56 rifle using gas mitigating parts. No issues with blowback on my PS90 SBR though.

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Is there anything wrong with this, or is this just one of the first examples of a company making a decent product with competitive pricing in the post-fee era?

>>65219761
I hadn't seen that one before, that's cool to see anon. And to your question, I mean, you'd have to do some actual testing to be sure, but on the face of it that definitely looks more like
>examples of a company making a decent product with competitive pricing in the post-fee era?
It looks like a pretty decent normal old fashioned baffle over-barrel design, optimized around manual action. They don't pretend it's full auto rated or anything, so that's a point for honesty. It probably doesn't have low back pressure nor squeeze every last decibel out of its mass/weight like some 3d printed thing but for $280 retail who fucking cares? You don't have to be perfect when you're 25% the price of some fancy titanium shit.

I'd also assume that the warranty isn't as gold plated and things like that, but again, that's not necessarily a problem at a low enough price. If it lasts less time but I can buy 2-4 for the same price there's a place on the market for that. I'm actually kinda tempted to get one just to see how it compares to some of my fancy cans on an anecdotal level (I don't have the right mics to actually test for real).

>>65219761
>>65219799
pretty sure this is a licensed design of a european budget can from denmark. proven and well liked but for hunting but not designed for range fun at all. but also not some weird new thing just new to the us market since previously wasn't worth it with the fees.

they also have another in the lineup that is meant for higher volume shooting. still not full auto i think but semi no prob vs this one for hunting only. paradox is hunting other is something else but cant fucking remember, it was some edgy name. also a cheap rimfire. all are value designs differences more about weight iirc.

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>>65219799
>>65219818
Yeah on the product page itself, for both it and the non-overbarrel DT version, it explicitly says they're not recommended for "extensive use on semi-auto platforms".

The one they DO explicitly say is acceptable for extensive semi-auto use is picrel, for a whopping $20 more. Direct thread version is the same price.

>>65219761
Fuckin sweet. THIS is the sort of thing I've been expecting and waiting for. Lyman makes a lot of reloading kit, good folks, interesting they're giving this area a shot too but god bless em. Hopefully first of many.

>>65219841
Also nice. Looks like the claim is 60 rounds in a minute and then needs a bit of cool down. Yeah that's totally fine the vast majority of the time.

one thing I'd like to see more of related to suppressors on rifles isn't down to suppressors themselves but rather handguards. trend in suppressors has near universally been to fatter, like 1.6-1.8" but handguards all seem to be made still for pointy designs so you can't get one in there. overbarrel seems like it'll be same trend. hopefully we see that expand more cuz wrapped cans are sex.

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>>65219893
Return to tradition, embrace the magpul poly handguard

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I'm 3 in since February.
>YHM T3
>CAT ODB
>OCL 22Ti
At this point I've got a suppressor that can pair up with every gun I own that has a threaded barrel so I'm going to chill for now. Truth be told if I could do it all over again I probably would've skipped over the T3 and gone straight to a CAT WB or Rhodie 6 variety, but it is what it is.
>>65219384
I think the issue is still the local dealer NFA fees. My local shop charges $100 for an NFA xfer for an item they don't stock or $150 if it's an item they have on the shelves basically forcing you to buy from them. It's a shitty practice but their on-shelf selection is good and well priced, but it does create a barrier for making those $150-$350 suppressor deals online worth it. As long as these things still require ATF forms, I doubt we'll see much substantial movement.

>>65219903
>I think the issue is still the local dealer NFA fees.
Not all dealers charge much though, fees vary widely same as with other transfers. Bad in some spots but reasonable in others, particularly with eforms making it much easier all around. But on top of that there are players like capitol armory that will ship direct to door in a bunch of states, not all but a lot including very big markets like texas. So I don't think that alone is the challenge. I think it's more that importing is still a bitch, so basically you still have to "manufacture" it here in the USA for some legally defined value of manufacture. Can license a foreign design like it sounds those folks above did but you still have to spin up enough local manufacturing to make it and I can see that taking 6 months along with all the paper work. And it'll still cost more then made in some dirt cheap foreign place.

But getting to <$300 with more coming is a good sign imo. Even in the US if volumes go up and expectations shift prices will start to fall.

If you've ever bought a silencer you're part of the problem with western society.

>>65220087
>how dare problematic white male shitlords not ruin their and their dog's hearing
Thanks for sharing the brownoid subhuman perspective.

>>65219366 (OP)
I really don't get the fascination with cans. They're heavy, long, make cleaning a bitch and you still need ear pro with normal ammo. And they're an extra expense as well. What's the point?

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>>65219366 (OP)
>bought a B&T Print X SD can back in December
>turns out it had a defect (one of the baffles was a few thousandths of an inch off, thus causing bullets to just barely kiss it and throw them off)
>contact B&T for warranty
>fast response
>send it in in January
>occasionally call and email support
>always get "yeah we're working on it"
>March rolls around
>start thinking where the fuck is my can
>call
>no response
>email
>no response
>fuck
>check online
>apparently B&T USA is kill
>FUCK
>leave messages on every single extension because why not
>by some fucking miracle a guy responds
>"don't worry bro I got you"
>he sends me my can back with a detailed diagnosis on how to fix it
>he sends a brand new can to my FFL
>new can works flawlessly
>LGS repaired original can (it just BARELY needed the that one baffle reamed)
>now have two SD cans
That being said, the entire process made me get a few new gray hairs.

Thinking about ordering a YHM victra 12g later this week. Currently on backorder at silencershop but I don't mind waiting. I know they are not hearing safe but I don't own one and it seems to be cool. Plus I can use it to get around the 24" barrel requirement at a nearby sporting clays place.

Best stribog suppressor?

Thinking rugged obsidian

My choice good
Your choice bad
End of debate

>>65220329
Earpro alone can't protect you from sustained exposure to rifle fire especially in enclosed spaces, maybe if you double up every single time
That said, I only have one suppressor that goes on both of my guns with an AU QD muzzle brake
t. eurofag

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>>65220329
They dramatically increase the places and times I can shoot. Also hit the gym and stop being poor. There's nothing worse than a weak, broke faggot, fortunately two of those are curable.

>>65220487
Stribog should run cheaper DT suppressors just fine if you want to save a bit

>>65220544
Any recs? All the sonicore shit is gone

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Suppressor virgin here (soon to be deflowered) waiting on my AAC Ranger 7 to clear, I managed to snag a B&T A2 hub adapter I intend to use with it since most my 5.56 guns run A2 flash hiders and then I don’t have to brake the bank with new muzzle devices for all my favorite guns. Has anyone else used a similar setup? What are your thoughts.

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what is the most effective, manually machine-able baffle design for 5.56 hard-ish use?

So far I have just made radial cones with a cross hole, or standard angled cones with a cross hole, maybe a step.
Last design was this tube-less, 17-4ss, radial cone one.
AI won't let me work with it to come up with something better.

>>65220754
Whatever the surefire socom uses cuz that shit is pretty bomb proof.

The only guns i would want to suppress are my LTT Beretta (9mm), my turk mp5 (also 9mm), and a 300 BlackedOut upper i bought from BCA. The 22LR i have doesnt have a threaded barrel and i dont believe in 556 suppressors.

Should i just buy a 30cal and adapter my way into all three guns or should i get a 9mm only and fuck the 300blk meme

Need suppressor reccomendations.

>G36K with 12.5" barrel
>5.56
>really needs to be low back pressure because plastic receiver and non-adjustable gas
>must have HUB and blast baffle needs to be deep enough to be keymo compatible, using a jmac keymo G36 flash hider, same size as the Deadair keymo FH
>length roughly around 6"
>accommodate FRT fire in the future
>not too concered with price

I'm leaning towards the Lazarus 6. Not amazing on sound, but the backpressure is excellent. PTR Spiritus is another choice, but I don't know how it actually does on back pressure or if there's enough room fit a Keymo flashhider.

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>>65220777
Suppressed 9mm is fantastic especially on Berettas and the AP5. I think you'd have more fun with a dedicated 9mm suppressor that isn't heavy and is genuinely quiet. With cost of ammo, you'll use way more 9mm compared to the 300BLK. Especially with a FRT.

I picked the Mojave 9 to use on my Beretta and AP5. I was on the fence between the Mojave and the Obsidian, but the reduced back pressure is really worth it on the Mojave. The Mojave 9 is also rated for 300BLK (with certain limitations).

>>65219366 (OP)
Do suppressors for stuff like 9mm actually make them hearing safe without ear pro?

>>65220777
Get a nice 9mm suppressor that you can swap between your different 9mms and some cheaper direct thread .300 blacked suppressor that never comes off the thing.

>>65220899
What?

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>>65220787
I do love the G36K, one of my all time favorites. I’d probably run a huxwrx as they are reportedly the best in terms of low-back pressure, or that suppressor the German army is running on the G95s (B&T I think? Not sure).

>>65220899
With subsonic ammo, my Dead Air Mojave-9 (one of the quietest cans on the market) is about as loud as if I were to whack a hammer onto a wooden board, kinda hard but not as hard as I could. Is it hearing-safe? Yeah. Is it loud enough that my (townhouse) neighbor could hear it if I shot it in my backyard? Yeah. Is it loud enough that someone down the block would hear it? Maybe, but they definitely would have no idea what it is.

YMMV depending on the ammo and can you shoot. I've shot supersonic out of this can too and, as expected, it's not completely hearing safe (though also wouldn't do me any damage if I had to shoot a mag of supersonic in an emergency)

>>65220899
If you’re not a pussy, yes most do.

>>65221011
Can't. Huxworx uses a proprietary mounting system.
G36 uses a 15x1 RH thread, and I already picked up the keymo G36 flash hider.

I'm too afraid to buy B&T now with all the legal crap that B&T US got themselves into.

>>65220899
Absolutely, if you're using a decent can with subs. Change either of those variables and your ears will ring, at least with the sorts of barrel lengths associated with 9mm.

>>65220329
Short rifle = very loud even with earpro
Short rifle with can = still loud but manageable

>>65220533
>stop being weak
>has to put it AR on a fucking tripod to shoot

Like i get it for hunting, but stop being an absolute faggot repeating dumb shit from other faggots. If hou actually have to carry your rifle for any sustained period of time, lighter is better.

>>65221111
Can't believe quads got wasted on bait this fucking weak

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>>65221114
>anything that diverges from the hivemind is bait

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>>65221129
>I'm supposed to consider your bitching about a tripod to be "diverging from the hivemind"

>>65220754
>radial cones with a cross hole, or standard angled cones with a cross hole, maybe a step.
That seems to be about optimal desu.
From my understanding high velocities call for steep cone angles. Also, isn't a slotted baffle better than one with an extra hole?

>>65219494
As a first time can enjoyer this year, I was pretty shocked how easy it was. Worst part was having to get off my ass and get my fingerprints done.
I do think there's still a lingering perception of it being a pain in the ass though, but hopefully that dispels with time.

Are there any 9mm cans that use a qd muzzle device? tri lug need not apply

I'd rather just get one can for my pcc range toys and swap between them since I dont really shoot them that much anyway, but I dont want to fuck with direct thread all the time and trilug is gay

>>65221313
>I do think there's still a lingering perception of it being a pain in the ass though, but hopefully that dispels with time.
In time I think it will, and also systems will become even better. Fingerprints for example, the SilencerShop kiosks are expensive and they want a cut of sales and other stuff, but back before eforms that was the only option. But in principle should be doable now to produce cheap finger scanners that any LGS that deals in cans could offer and just gives you a standard EFT file, no lock-in, no BS, then you can use that forever more. That'd remove what is probably the final real one time friction point.

But the new system has been in place and working right a relatively short time (worth remembering that the initial efile rollout had plenty of confusion by dealers who screwed things up, plus ATF hadn't changed their strict FIFO practice which was the final missing piece on that side). Suppressors aren't something people get every day, so if your last experience was even a couple years ago and you don't follow these things closely you're still going to remember it as kind of annoying. I think it'll take at least a year for the knowledge to really percolate out, though truly cheaper cans might help accelerate it.

>>65221323
What's wrong with trilug?

Do you guys use e-sifnatures on your eForms? I've had ATF tell me twice that they don't accept e-signatures and to correct my forms so they use a "handwriten" signature (i.e. using a mouse or tablet with stylus). Once I do that, they approve them. Given that working with PDFs is already a major pain in the ass, this has become the biggest frustration with doing my own Form 1s.

>>65221791
For my last F4 I was able to just "sign" with my PIN. I haven't done an F1 in awhile so I don't know if there are any differences now.
>Given that working with PDFs is already a major pain in the ass
Get some better software? While it's bullshit not to just be able to use a pin to sign same as fucking taxes even, PDFs also should be pretty easy to deal with if you're just scanning a hand signature once (or using your phone) and then keeping it as a template.

>>65220713
I have not and that looks complicated as fuck, not to mention your A2 probably has a crush washer behind it and that's a no-no for suppressors. Everyone these days runs some form of QD attachment like Plan B or hell even direct thread. You're planning on doing muzzle - A2 birdcage - A2 adapter - toothed suppressor adapter - suppressor? wew laddy. Better check tightness after each shot and keep an alignment rod in your range bag.

>>65221859
literally what

>>65219893
Just wrap the suppressor in nomex or something and use it as the handguard

>>65219366 (OP)
>mfw want to get into suppressors
>don't want to replace the muzzle devices on all my guns

also decision paralysis due to shit like

>>65221029
>Can't. Huxworx uses a proprietary mounting system.

>>65221857
It's designed for widespread military issue.
It works, it's repeatable, it's accurate.

The suppressor attaches to the threaded hub on the QD and that threaded hub is pressed tight against the birdcage.

Since a suppressor is legally a firearm, coul one create an integrally suppressed sten/sterling/mp28 style carbine where the receiver and suppressor are the same tubing, and only have one serialized part?