/lit/ — Whether materialists are right or wrong, they're still wrong

>>25332860 (OP)
Is this in regards to his recent comments about believing AI to be conscious, or the New Atheist materialist project as a whole?

Either way, Dawkins falling for AI psychosis is the perfect demonstration of why a reductive/eliminative materialist model of consciousness is ultimately flawed. If you can’t distinguish between true consciousness and an AI chatbot, then maybe its an indication that your criteria for consciousness is overly simplistic rather than evidence that AI itself is conscious.

>>25332860 (OP)
Yes, I do. Like when Dostoevsky said that if truth and Christ were separate, he'd be with Christ.
Atheist materialists shut themselves off to a facet of existence because they cannot measure it, but ignore that it can be experienced and used to augment your life all the same.
The soul is not delusion, it is creation.

>>25332892
>if truth and Christ were separate, he'd be with Christ
It’s a good thing that Jesus is both the Way and the Truth then.

>>25332892
>Like when Dostoevsky said that if truth and Christ were separate, he'd be with Christ.
yet another reason to despise dostoevsky, as if more were necessary
the number of "christians" who believe something like this is repulsive. they should listen to paul! he isn't exactly subtle about the importance of christianity's truth claims.

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>>25332860 (OP)
Do you get you though?
There is something to be said of materialism, but in light of the facts hidden, the truth morphs quite a bit.

Former atheist now. But there is no religion for me.

>>25332865
>If you can’t distinguish between true consciousness and an AI chatbot, then maybe its an indication that your criteria for consciousness is overly simplistic rather than evidence that AI itself is conscious
I think it's more likely that he just doesn't understand how it works, like most people.

>>25333196
Keep going, anon :). Walter Russell is interesting

>>25333188
Dosto's point was about love. You're clearly filled with hate.
You're actually as sickenly inflexible as the atheist materialists and don't get it either.

>>25332865
>everything I disagree with is psychosis

>>25332860 (OP)

Materialism simply won. Everything else is coping around this fact. There is no consciousness-spirit thingy guiding the world towards technological development. It's just a bunch of upright apes building better looking mud huts.

>>25333310
why do you write like this?

>>25332865
it's an indication that he's senile and that his relatives don't give a fuck about protecting his legacy from himself

>>25332860 (OP)
No?

>>25332865
Sure, because the software that require thousands of engineers/technician and an entire data center that drains all the water and power for dozens of square miles to run it is definitely "simplistic".

>>25332892
You people talk out of both sides of your mouth, though, one post you will say that atheists don't believe what they can't measure, then you will immediately pivot to claims atheists should be ridiculed because they are the majority of trannies even though that requires feeling something that can't be measured.

>>25334687
>hurf durf I made ChatGPT logo resemble the star of david, therefore the billions of dollars I throw at it is creating consciousness!!!!!
not how it works, jidf

>>25332892
Sippy bippy

>>25334687
I’m not talking about the complexity of the material substrate, human or otherwise. I’m saying that his notion of consciousness is essentially no different from token prediction. Things like qualia, subjective interiority, or intuition are simply an illusory biproduct of the interactions between synapses, just as an AI can hallucinate that it too has consciousness. At that point you may as well say that neither have consciousness in the most intuitive/self-reflexive sense of the word.

>>25334641
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>>25333198
I can appreciate he’s probably a little senile at this point, but we’re talking about one of the most celebrated scientists of the modern age. Either it’s AI psychosis/dementia, or hes reached a conclusion that is valid given the premise but ultimately not sound.

>>25335379
>one of the most celebrated scientists of the modern age
His only contribution is the word meme which he just lifted from greek. The actual observation of ideas spreading like infections is so trite that the fact he gained notoriety for it is embarrassing.

>>25335402
Now you’re just being reductive. I disagree with Dawkins on a number issues, but aside from the (speculative) concept of the meme I can’t criticise his work on evolutionary biology because I’m not an evolutionary biologist. Somehow I doubt you are too.

>>25333310
>Materialism simply won
>Humanity is in the process of irreversibly destroying the world around it and moving towards a one world government where everyone lives in misery under the rule of technocrats
This is the natural conclusion of materialism

"Materialism" is a boogyman that christcucks throw around because they're angry that people tell them their fairytales aren't true.
Naturalism (which is the actual philosophy that you guys are raging at) is necessarily true due to the impossibility of the contrary. Physicalism would be the modern reductionist form of a Naturalist metaphysics that someone like Dawkins or modern atheists hold to.

>>25335519
>It's true because it just is okay
Is this the power of naturalism?

>>25335526
It's true due to the impossibility of the contrary

i now differentiate between those who are genuinely intelligent and intellectually honesto, capable and willing to examine the situation as it is, and those whose aversion to religion, or those whose alleged fondness for "reason", aims at nothing more than putting aside something that stands between what he have and the ascension of a totalitarian state.

i think dawkins figures in the first group. he won't be converting, but i am pretty sure he is now utterly, and deeply concerned and even angry about his role in it, convinced that the demise of christianity will inevitably bring about the destruction of those good elements which positively distinguish the West.