/lit/ — where does the Harry Potter series rank among YAlit?

>>25334995 (OP)
>Snape ejaculated

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>>25334995 (OP)
harry potter was supposed to have been snapes son

>>25334995 (OP)
>trannies are erasing REAL womanhood! we must protect femininity! men are NOT women and women are NOT men
>just won against trannies, here's a photo of me smoking a cigar (traditional emblem of masculinity) and drinking a whiskey on the rocks (traditional emblem of masculinity) to project power and dominance (masculine character traits)
Fascinating woman.

>>25334995 (OP)
The harry potter books were definitely ghost-written. Even if you hate trannies, JK Rowling is just such an evil bitch. I refuse to believe someone so evil wrote those moral lessons in Harry Potter.

>>25334995 (OP)
Its alright. Would be better with an actual message beyond "love conquers all" but they're decent reads for children.

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It doesn't on account of not being YA.

>>25335174
Despite engaging in traditionally masculine acts she's still a woman. Do you think that maybe could have been her point you troon midwit?

>>25335241
>ching chong
>centaur rape
>werewolf HIV
>slavery has merits
She has always been a bigot. Milder version back then, more extreme MAGA version now after participating in the blood orgy.

>>25335260
All I'm saying is it's a weird way to make the point. One of her arguments is "trannies aren't women because they exhibit masculine traits," so it seems like she thinks exhibiting masculine traits is proof of someone's real gender. But here she is, exhibiting masculine traits. It's a bit like saying "Pittsburgh Steelers fans can't be trusted because they're inherently violent," winning a footrace against a Steelers fan, and then celebrating by posting a picture of yourself brandishing firearms with an angry look on your face
>>25334995 (OP)
But to bring the discussion back to books, you can't deny Harry Potter's influence. She's one of the all-time greats for her influence alone, even though there are much, much better YA books (The Chocolate War comes to mind) than Harry Potter. Always appreciated how the series got darker as it progressed, though

>>25335316
You're intentionally misunderstanding her point because you are a tranny.
I don't like her either but her point is and always has been that trannies aren't women because they are men. You're just coping and it's obvious.

>>25335330
I'm not even a tranny kek. You can still hate trannies and acknowledge that this JK Rowling picture is pretty funny given her ideas about trannies

>>25334995 (OP)
Most any YA is better than HP.

>>25335174
Correct, except everybody knows that putting ice on whiskey is for consoomer brand and ”masculinity” chasing retards with palatte and patience of a toddler.

Harry Potter is actually an astonishing achievement. Seven books published over ten years that tell one story with a beginning, middle, and end, and without retcons. The planning is so impressive.

>>25335362
>and without retcons
Retcons would have improved that shitshow since introducing truth serum alone creates enough plot holes that the story practically becomes a Menger sponge, to say nothing of the fucking time travel.

>>25335174
Ruining a nice whiskey by diluting it with ice is for women and faggots

>>25334995 (OP)
What is it about these children's fantasy books that caused millennials, women in particular, to make them their entire personalities even well into adulthood?
I never understood why HP in particular

>>25334995 (OP)
>Hook nosed, amoral banking goblins offering services to genocidal lunatics
>The elites are both evil and useless
>Main cast entirely white
>Blatantly racist names for minorities "Oh no Ching Chong Chang is the bad one". "Kingston Shacklewog is here"
Very 4chan

>>25335362
I don't really care and I'm never going to read these books again, but I have a hard time believing that anything after at least the 3rd book wasn't heavily ghostwritten. Probably had a fucking team on it.

>>25335377
Consumerism replaced religion and all I got was this shirt.

>>25335362
>Evil wizard kills family.
>Can't kill boy because love conquers all
>Boy grows up
>Evil wizard tries to kill him again
>Can't kill boy because love conquers all
>Evil wizard comes back to life
>Evil wizard tries to kill him again
>Aha now I can get around love conquering all because *insert never before mentioned macguffin*
>I see your macguffin and raise you a deus ex machina
>Can't kill boy because love conquers all
>Government somehow doesn't notice evil wziard taking over the government
>How did that happen? Who cares. Here's a funny word.
>Have to destroy these pieces of evil wizard's soul
>Oh wait, the boy is the last piece. Why? Because we all know Hollywood will pick it up at this point
>Boy sacrifices himself but wait - it's not a deus ex machine if you introduce the gates of heaven and have a conversation there, even though this has never been mentioned before.
>Boy comes back to life
>Kills evil wizard
>Has family
>Names child after "man who was a creepy, noncey, dick but was really good deep down"
Yeah man IDK how they kept track of it.

>>25335338
Once again you are intentionally misunderstanding her. Too bad you're not a tranny cause it makes you look even stupider.

>>25335330
>I don't like her either but her point is and always has been that trannies aren't women because they are men.
This is disingenuous. Her point is that trannies should have legal rights stripped away from them because she personally thinks that they are men.
Most people don't think trannies are women, most people aren't weird about it and don't make it 80% of their personality. Because most people aren't autistic.

>>25335174
Lel
>>25334995 (OP)
It always seemed overly childish when I was a kid, and now I consider YA basically worthless as a whole.

>>25335426
I hate JerKoff Rowling and terfs are insane evil cunts but this is a disgustingly disingenuous frame. You are a liar.

>>25335426
9/10 but I'm still not falling for it

>>25335377
>YA, so the prose is easy to read
>the four houses varying by personality appeals to people's fantasies (which house would you get into)
>bullied outcast is actually super special person
>all the lame shit in school is thrown out for cool magic shit

it's really the ultimate fantasy for bored school children. the prose is accessible for all ages and the characters age into drama shit which women eat up

>>25335433
>I hate JerKoff Rowling and terfs are insane evil cunts but this is a disgustingly disingenuous frame. You are a liar.
It's an entirely honest frame. Everyone in the UK knows the Supreme Court made the wrong decision, mostly by just pretending Article 8 shouldn't factor in to their decision making process.

>>25334995 (OP)
Kinda fucking bad, but honestly very foundational to what YA is. The whole genre is essentially just re-using the elements that gave harry potter such a stranglehold on a generation of kids: a relatable outsider kid enters into a wish-fulfilment world with some kind of clique-based categorization they have to navigate, and some kind of power or talent to daydream about, until it turns out theyre special in some way that makes them destined to defeat the big bad.

I think this also does not really redeem it. Harry Potter is ass, YA is ass, and so Harry Potter has been a great influence on a whole lot of books that made the world a worse place. And because kids feel like they should be reading these books that are for 'their age', and because 'serious' literature is not approached naturally anymore but only exists for them as boring homework, they are drawn to YA rather than any real literature they are perfectly capable of reading.

>>25334995 (OP)
They are shit.
>>25335174
Trannies are the most incoherent creatures to ever exist. If gender is subjective then there no such things as masculine or feminine traits. If masculine or feminine traits exist then gender is tied to sex.

>>25335485
You can't logic them out of a position they didn't logic themselves into. No point in trying, just laugh at them.

>>25335485
I dont think transgender people think 'gender is subjective,' in the sense that its just a thing you can change on a whim. Its obviously its something they struggle with a long time to transition from the one or the other.

I think defining it as a set of traits rather than unified essence you have or you dont is a useful framing. Masculine and Feminine traits exist and are often tied as much to cultural (mannerisms, dress) as biological factors (bodily appearance), both of which require effort to change but can indeed be changed. If people want to adopt different traits and then they put in a lot of effort to adopt those different traits, whats even the problem?

>>25335121
>late teens
lol ok

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>>25334995 (OP)
I'm not allowed to take the piss out of her shit books anymore cuz everyone will call me a tranny.

9/10 for her PR people

>>25334995 (OP)
I feel like it has earned its place in the upper echelons of YA...we're talking YA lit so not like it's super prestigious or a terribly high bar to clear. It's great for what it is and easy to enjoy even for people outside of the target demographic, which is about as good as you can expect from YA.

>>25335469
/thread

It wouldn't be so bad if they all didn't fail to jettison it as they aged. The harpies who run the world all love(d) Harry Potter and Rowling rules us through them.

high, and deservedly so.
btw, any of you bums have read the so-called interactive editions? I bought the ones that have already been published, and I think they're surprisingly good.
stupendous for kids.

at least JK completed it, unlike that obese cock-fondler whose series is still so frequently drooled over.

>>25334995 (OP)
For a 7-volume series, it's remarkable consistent and satisfying in its conclusion. Rowling, unlike the majority of modern authors, never forgot that her one and only job is to tell the best story possible. Her talent and her ambition were matched and she produced something that struck a chord with kids and teens all over the world. It's hard to argue with the results.

>>25335696
>obese cock-fondler

you'll need to be more specific

>>25335702
He means me

>>25335261
>centaur rape
>werewolf HIV
Are you on heavy drugs?

>>25335485
For me, they only want to try a different type of masturbation.

>>25335362
>>25334995 (OP)
>>25335701
100%
The Harry Potter series is the most enjoyable fiction of the modern era.
Most of the film adaptations did it justice as well, especially Sorcerer's Stone, Goblet, Half Blood, & Deathly Hollows.
There's also a general filter for crazy people: if they don't let their kids read Harry Potter.

Why are there so many leftists and transmogs on this board? It wasn't like this before.

>>25334995 (OP)
Imagine smoking a Backwoods blunt with JK Rowling and making YWNBAW jokes