/lit/ — Fidel Castro on antinatalism

>>25340514 (OP)
I don't think the two are correlated and if so, only tangibly. The increase of property acquisition would inherently imply the increase of more producers, the only reason for the reduction of human life is the suppression of revolutions (he has a point there). The less people there, the less of a chance there will be enough people to rise up and challenge the status quo. But since the acquisition of land and property implies greater increase in producers to handle such things, the chance of revolution becomes greater. The point is simply to allow the acquisition of property to be roughly equivalent to the amount of people in a given jurisdiction, any kind of major offset to this arrangement leads to greater chances of revolutionary violence.

>>25340546
Unless property acquisition is not really about property production

Its funny how unfailingly idealistic communist literature is

>>25340514 (OP)
Population-control isn't antinatalism. There's nothing about antinatalism here.

>>25340569
>can we invest in human development instead of living satanic shitland?
>how naïve, how ridiculously idealistic and aspirational

>>25340586
Precisely. Although I wouldn't call it ridiculous.

>>25340586
Nice reducto ad absurdum

If Castro ever believed in a real Satan, he believed it was physically walking around on Earth and its name was Ronald Reagan.

>>25340514 (OP)
Have you ever been to Cuba? Have you met anyone that's lived there? My wife was born in a small Cuban village, and lived there until she was about 10 years old.

Make no mistake; Cuba is a total shit hole. They may have doctors, but they have no medicine. Their electric grid is entirely unreliable. Grocery stores with empty shelves and streets with craters for pot holes.

You cannot blame the United States for the ails and poverty of this workers' paradise. The whole nation is propped up by remmitances from the US family members which are then stolen by the communists, but you already knew that.

You already knew that communists are liars with no supreme higher motive. No, they just want to steal your shit. They can add window dressing, and boy do they love to, but they cannot hide that plain simple truth.

>>25340720
There was a recent article on Cuba in foreign affairs by a military officer

>American sanctions have played an enormous role in the country’s devastation, and recovery is impossible while they remain in place, at least in their current form.

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/cuba/day-after-cuba
https://archive.li/Auoqk

This is not even a pro Cuba article, it is an article about how America can approach Cuba to exert more control

This is from a foreign policy expert writing on American interests for the most influential foreign policy publication of America for a hundred years

Fidel Castro on why you should just try being attractive instead of trying so hard the movie the remaster the thread

books like this are all ghostwritten right

>>25340569
It really feels like communists are doing everything they can to cope with the actual consequences of technology by blaming it all on an eternal boogeyman

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>>25340569
>>giving wealth back to the working class leads to more children
>this is idealistic communist garbage, another 5 billion to israel

>>25340733
>Can trade with every other nation in the world.
>But not trading with The Great Satan somehow makes Cuba completely impoverished even though her sons and daughters send home plenty of USD every month for the communist party to pilfer.
Communism is the problem, not trade sanctions. My in-laws were living in Cuba during the Cold Ware and they'll tell you that it wasn't much better then.

>>25340751
Any ship that trades with Cuba is prohibited from American ports for several months which in practice cuts off Cuban trade from most of the world

>>25340756
Nothing you've said actually refutes what I said. Cuba can trade with everyone else. They can even trade all sorts of things with the US like medicine and food, but because they cannot buy Ford pickup trucks they're broke?

Find someone else to drink your piss, because I won't.

>>25340569
"idealistic" is always the accusation hurled at people that do not accept the world as it currently is. How dare you not bow your head down and accept the blows like the rest of us?

>>25340514 (OP)
>It should be noted that Cuba has a higher literacy, better numeracy and lower infant mortality
None of this is true. Also: Trump and Rubio are in the process of dismantling their regime. Say bye-bye!

>>25340747
wealthier workers are less likely to reproduce
there's nothing wrong with not wanting to have useless incel neet children in 2026

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>>25340905

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>>25340514 (OP)
Grim.

>>25340514 (OP)
>>The working class is the creative class;
Production =/= creativity. The working class is famously indifferent to art and culture.

>>25341186
It's actually funny reading OP, when the truth is commies heavily encourage people to get sterilized in Cuba.

>>25340770
>the country is heavily sanctioned
>nothing you've said actually refutes what I said
?

>>25340569
The caliber of responses to this post is both very sad and very funny.
Seeing the self-reported ages of posters in the other thread was enlightening.
Keep learning and keep your minds open, young'ns.

>>25340514 (OP)
I used to be friends with a Cuban family; the parents had been educated in Yugoslavia. They were intelligent, well-read, and based overall, they were also excellent cooks. That's all I have to contribute.

>>25341195
>the country is heavily sanctioned
>by one country
>even then they can still trade with it, but just not high technology and financial services.

>>25340514 (OP)
>It should be noted that Cuba has a higher literacy, better numeracy and lower infant mortality than America despite having the same racial demographics of slavery
None if this is true btw

>>25341204
>by one country
>can still trade
Yes, THE USA. Are you not aware of geopolitical significance USA holds? Its ability to project power?
And trade what? Even the fucking cigars are banned.
You think any wannabe-get-rich-quick entrepreneur wouldn't jump at the opportunity to profit-rape such a goods starved market?
You think USA will just stand by and watch if someone gets a bit too friendly with Cuba?
Like, c'mon....
Even if it's not explicitly put in Ink, just the general attitude USA holds has a lot of weight, especially for countries THAT CLOSE to it.

You have little idea what it is like. You North American lefties are cute, nice, well-intending; I have mingled with you and I genuinely have not met cooler people than blue hairs here. That said, you’re nu-lefties, you dig avant garde art and preach Frankfurt school leftism, being friends with you feels like being in the café with de Beauvoir or Camus just being all sexy. But latam leftism is nothing like this, it’s banditos on horses, killing minorities and gay people, it’s subverting Catholic doctrine for your ends, endless regimes held up through torture carried out by illiterates. Revolutionaries there aren’t idealistic because they’re content with not getting to gay space luxury communism, no, they just want to bring everyone down to their level of poverty. You fags don’t know shit.

T. Actual hispanic

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>>25341222
>Oh no! We cannot sell luxury good to Americans! We're going to starve!.
You're talking to a man that's married to an actual Cuban, buddy. You're talking to a man that sees what the COMMUNISTS do to Cuban people every day. Everything you're talking about is a nice theoretical exercise, but where the rubber meets the road it's a very different story. The communist party in Cuba jails people for speaking against it. The communist party enriches the elite at the expense of average Cubans. The communist party must go.

>>25341223
>>25341232
This reads like a longer form of the worst updoot bait from millennial nu-right e-celeb xitter ten years ago

>>25341223
>T. Actual hispanic
T. Race traitor*

>>25341240
Do you have anything to actually add, or are you just going to tell us how great things are in Cuba and how if they're not actually great, they're the fault of the United States?

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>>25341246
I don't debate

>>25341245
Haha that’s a first. I think you are the coon, adapting an ideology made in EUROPE applied to control drug cartels ran by Mexicans, supplied by Chinese and FINANCED and ARMED by gringos but sure I’m a race traitor last time that happened the peoples of Mesoamerica stopped getting their hearts ripped out by the Nahuas. ¡Nacazo, I bet you travel the world whining about being a poor little victimized indio when in reality it’s you or your papitos ruining the towns!

>>25341232
>>25341246
>Do you have anything to actually add
You aren't engaging with any arguments.
YOU aren't adding anything. The "lunchbreak talk" about "government bad" is midwit drivel.

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civil race wars on my /lit/!?

>>25341271
"Engaging" to a leftist just means you keep talking until you agree with them.

>>25341078
Just bring back arranged marriages where the man picks

>>25341284
And a caste system. These two together are the recipe for a perfect society and an ideal race

>>25340905
That is not what I'm doing. Making your own way in the world is based. its the methods I'm criticizing as idealistic. Communists live in total lala land when it comes to brass tacks. not to say their idealism is bad, or that anyone (ie fascists) are any less idealistic, nothing of the sort. It simply amuses me greatly how 100% of communist literature I've seen reads like, they're describing omelas while ignoring the kid being raped in the basement

>>25341289
That's actually exactly how capitalists sound to me

>>25341290
> or that anyone (ie fascists) are any less idealistic,
I just read through Peter Thiel's published essays from 2007-2025 in order to more accurately shitpost on the gandolf thread that's on the catalog right now, and let me tell you, i'll take a kumbaya rose-glasses-wearing commie's prose over his violent cocaine-fueled nonsense any day. But notice how every commie reply to >>25340569 utilizes fallacy and is utterly seething over me accurately pointing out that their shit is idealistic? Flak over target. >>25340569. basically there are ways to oppose what you rightly see as the retardation of the world without falling for the german idealismus shitpost called communism

>>25340569
>dialectics...man
>the world of forms lmao

>>25341325
Because Marxism is not idealistic, at least not in any immediate sense, and itself criticizes "utopianism" relentlessly. "Idealistic" is always meant as disagreeing with capitalist anthropology of humanity as engaged in a war of "all against all", itself reinforced by a pseudo-Darwinism that understand evolution and biology as atomized individuals and evolution driven by their conflict, when obviously complex life arises through organisms cooperating in sophisticated ways. The capitalist anthropology, which exists to justify capitalist enshittification, is presupposed, as implied hy terming disagreement as "idealistic"

>>25341240
Sure bro, I’m a cheugy race traitor, but one that’s not going to get totally assfucked given the chance to take my ideals to their final possible conclusion. You on the other hand probably think Maduro, Bad Bunny and Sheinbaum are badasses, when their average supporter would ruin your day before you can finish rapping the latest discourse you and your friends came up with. I was being sarcastic, blue hairs may or may not be fine people but would forsure not last long around chavistas or whatever the fuck. And I’m not talking your guerrilleros, random ass commie bookstore types are already full of hate for you.

>>25341356
"Cooperating" is doing a lot of heavy lifting here.

>>25341370
The entire language we are using comes from cooperation, language would be impossible otherwise, let alone writing.

>>25341378
>Because we speak language, we therefore cooperate, and thus communism is the true end of human society.
Its funny how unfailingly idealistic communists are.

>>25341378
Nta but no. That’s consensus, reality, however incomplete the human grasp of it may be is empirically determined with no ideological contingence but if you think that’s a matter of opinion prove me wrong without stating your opinion

>>25341382
The reality is that we use language. Agree, or disagree?

>>25341381
Fox News tier strawman

>>25341399
Teenagers huffing farts and engaging in pointless sophistry call me names because I disagree with them. I can live with this

>>25340905
Idealism is when you view the world through rose coloured glasses.

>>25341397
Not in the same way, misunderstandings exist even among likeminded people of the same culture and language origins. You’re presupposing that there is an inherent non-logical reason for attributing a given signifier word to something, which is presumptuous to do in a reality that is not fully unknowable. Hegel’s end of history is every idea coming to its farthest conclusion in practice but who is to say practice is the same as theory?

>>25341416
Not fully knowable* corrected there.

>>25340514 (OP)
>. It has poisoned the waterways. Oceans, rivers, lakes, seas, the atmosphere, the earth. It has produced an incredible waste of resources.
Ironic considering the ecological damage that communist regimes did in Asia. Aral Sea in particular.