/m/ — What was her problem?

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>>23863945 (OP)

Not fucking me daily

>>23863945 (OP)
worthless body double.

>>23863945 (OP)
Not receiving enough dicking, like most women.

Inherited aristocratic power going to someone uninterested in wielding it

Eating a hotdog melted her brain.

>>23863945 (OP)
Incompetent

>>23863945 (OP)
>Raised by two sluts
>Two guys are now fighting over for her

Char and Haman's fault

>>23863945 (OP)
Being stuck in a low-effort thread with a stock phrase in the OP.

Does she have any real power or is she just a figurehead?

>>23865460
it’s complicated, she has no legal power but. She has the ability to get what she wants in reactive

>>23865460
She officially has no legal authority, but she has de facto authority because of the threat she represents and the loyalty to her family name. Basically she yields invisible reins, and it's likely related to the reason Zeon rejoins the Federation in 0100 UC.

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She has zero problems and is a perfect angel raised in a loving and mentally stable household.

>>23865478
>and it's likely related to the reason Zeon rejoins the Federation in 0100 UC.
Never happened in canon

>>23865882
>canon
NTA but Gundam canon changes like every five years. If it isn't canon today, it will be tomorrow or the day after.

>>23865882
I feel like an out of the loop retard, but did I miss something? What happened with the Republic of Zeon?

>>23863945 (OP)
Sore Domo

>>23865994
>What happened with the Republic of Zeon?
Exactly what >>23865478 said. This guy >>23865882 just doesn't want Unicorn or Narrative to be canon.

>>23866596
I was gonna say, I was pretty sure the statement about its independence dissolving was accurate. In a way it's kind of unfortunate, it would've been interesting to have around as basically an anachronistic relic into Late UC but I guess Mars sort of fills that role already.

>>23866596
Again. Republic of Zeon wasn't actually dissolved in those movies.

>>23866712
because it was still like ~4 years away from the deadline to be merged back into the federation

>>23866719
4 years is a long time. We don't actually know what truly happens.

And to be honest the events of Zeta and ZZ Gundam make the original reunification treaty void.

Spacenoids are retarded

>>23866807
>4 years is a long time. We don't actually know what truly happens.
In real life, bureaucracy and legal bullshit means that ~10 years before rejoining, you already need to start planning on how the changeover works in regards to laws and governance, especially about how to maintain a functional government system and handover of power and responsibilities. Saying "they might not want to rejoin the Federation in 4 years" is silly because it implies Side 3 has not been working on reunification or has not made their stance clear on whether they're working towards it or not. Unless databooks or Bandai decide to retcon in a tense situation about spacenoid independence taking place in UC 0099~0100 because Side 3 refused to rejoin and tensions got high, the assumption is that Side 3 rejoined the Federation because Side 3 sure as hell isn't considered a hostile\rogue state in late UC. I don't doubt that the Feds would make economic sanctions or even openly threaten war if Side 3 didn't comply and rejoin.

>And to be honest the events of Zeta and ZZ Gundam make the original reunification treaty void.
In what way? Side 3 (threatened into) assisting the Titans would have been perfect excuse for the Feds to occupy and takeover Side 3 for being (unwilling) accomplices to the Titans but the Feds let it slide as if nothing happened. ZZ had the Feds "look the other way" while Haman occupied one of Side 3's colonies. What part of either of that is supposed to cancel treaty stipulations for Side 3 to rejoin the Federation in ~13 years from that point?

>>23866843
4 years is long enough to wage an entire war. Look at the crazy wars that happened during the 0080s to early 0090s. Only a few years between each one


>What part of either of that is supposed to cancel treaty stipulations for Side 3

You mean OTHER than the Federation descending into a total Civil war and both sides of that war threatening the colonies destruction? Titans threatening to blow up colonies unless they get supplies, and the AEUG saying they will agree to give Side 3 to Neo Zeon. Yeah pretty sure the Treaty is void at that point. The original Federation they signed the treaty with doesn't even exist anymore at that point.

Then the Federation refusing to protect Side 3 from Neo Zeon taking it. Treaty is double void.

Then the Federation rebuilding the Colony Laser and threatening any Colony that doesn't fall in line during Unicorn. Yeah treaty is triple void.

>>23866843
>the assumption is that Side 3 rejoined the Federation because Side 3
That's not how it works. Unless we see it happen on screen, then it's not canon. That's the only absolute golden rule that Bandai has set. Manga, databooks, novels, etc do not count. Only the animation itself.

Besides the events of the upcoming Unicorn 2 are supposed to cover 0100. For all we know there could be another huge war.

>>23866843
I would think the Federation offering Side 3 as slave tribute to Neo Zeon breaks any signed agreement. I'm sure slavery is not part of the agreement

>>23866852
Neither Titans nor AEUG actually toppled the Federation government though.

>Then the Federation refusing to protect Side 3 from Neo Zeon taking it. Treaty is double void.

They eventually do go there by the end of the series though. It's just a slow (corrupt) bureaucracy.

It's also an internal side 3 dispute. It's not like they were taken by an outside force.

>Then the Federation rebuilding the Colony Laser and threatening any Colony that doesn't fall in line during Unicorn. Yeah treaty is triple void.

The Federation wins this conflict and the Sleeve are annihilated though. Why would they declare the treaty null when it'd just justify the Federation forcefully taking them by that point?

>>23867039

>It's also an internal side 3 dispute. It's not like they were taken by an outside force.
Incorrect. The Federation formally recognized that Neo Zeon Axis was a different force than the Government of Side 3. Therefore the Side 3 treaty was null and void when the AEUG and the Federation gave Side 3 to Axis forces.

>Why would they declare the treaty null when it'd just justify the Federation forcefully taking them by that point?
1. Because by that point control of Side 3 had changed hands and old agreement do not apply. It's a different government now.

2. It doesn't justify anything. You don't seem to understand that any agreement signed under threat is illegal under international law.

Side 3 would be legally well within their rights to declare the original 30 year agreement to be null and void by that point.

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Imagine if they had a biological kid together.

>>23863970
Speaking of parrots...

>>23867548
>Incorrect. The Federation formally recognized that Neo Zeon Axis was a different force than the Government of Side 3. Therefore the Side 3 treaty was null and void when the AEUG and the Federation gave Side 3 to Axis forces.

Like I said, neither AEUG nor Titans actually upended the Federation government. AEUG promises aren't Federation promises until they've gone through the Federation.

And for Neo Zeon, like I said, the Federation army did go there eventually to take down Neo Zeon, just took a while. In the real world this kind of thing can take a while too.

>>23867548
>Side 3 would be legally well within their rights to declare the original 30 year agreement to be null and void by that point.

I don't think you're getting my point. Side 3 was secretly sponsoring the Sleeves. They sleeves are beaten and the Laplace box reveal had no immediate effect on the Federation's power. It'd make no sense to then suddenly attempt to declare independence again when they're in such a weakened position.

>>23868924
Any government that fails to uphold the their end of agreement means the agreement is null and void. If the Federation promises protection and security but then their military threatens to blow up your colonies, then the agreement is void.

I don't think you understand how the Federation fell apart during Zeta Gundam. Multiple branches of the government were trying to kill eachother. Politicians were assassinating eachother. Everyone was choosing sides between Titans and AEUG. And the Titans were literally hours away from controlling the entire Earth with their new Colony Laser weapon. They were only stopped at the last second by plot armor of the AEUG.


>I don't think you're getting my point. Side 3 was secretly sponsoring the Sleeves.

The Sleeves were tiny force and their loss doesn't affect Side 3. It was a side project created through a few politicians personal funds and donations from AE. The Sleeves were (barely) funded through multiple sympathizers with irregular donations. And even then, the Sleeves had to use mostly old equipment and leftover hardware from previous wars. Their force was tiny and they barely had enough food to feed themselves.

>>23863945 (OP)
So what is she up to during HF? Does she do anything other than go to dates with Banagher?

>>23869555
Unicorn 2 is supposed to address all of this but the anime has been delayed by several years. The rumor is that the writer is having trouble with the story from what I hear.
Tomino wasn't happy with Uniforn and NT and spoke to him personally.


Originally, Tomino said in interviews years ago that Mineva escaped Neo Zeon and lived the rest of her life as a normal happy child with a new identity. He said it's important to him that Mineva gets to live a happy normal life after all she's been through as a child.

I guess seeing Unicorn bring back Mineva and turn her into Zeon puppet didn't make Tomino happy.

>>23869566
You're a fucking retard
Unicorn wasn't some anime first OG story
it was an entire series of light novels before it was adapted
If Tomino had any objections he could have changed at any time in either the original publication or adaptation process or re-cutting
also, Audrey is the fake

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>>23863945 (OP)
Problem?

>>23869639
>Zabi
She’s a Serb

>>23869625
Are you...are you...seriously mad that Tomino didn't get mad... sooner? So you are telling at me? Do you have any idea how foolish you sound?

>also, Audrey is the fake
Maybe but you would think all the newtypes around her would detect she's a fake with their newtype senses. Especially Full Frontal who wanted to seize full political power and control all Neo Zeon factions.

>>23869680
>Are you...are you...seriously mad that Tomino didn't get mad... sooner?
NTA but anon very obviously isn't saying that, no, and I can't work out how you arrived at the idea that he is.

>>23869698
>I can't work out how you arrived at the idea that he is.


>If Tomino had any objections he could have changed at any time in either the original publication or adaptation

>>23869736
Yes, anon, I read the post. How are you getting from there to "are you seriously mad that Tomino didn't get mad sooner"?

>>23869736
Bandai doesn't run everything by him.

>>23869625
Tomino doesn't read every single Gundam manga or novel that is released. He prefers to not even watch UC Gundam. Tomino thinks UC is concluded in his mind. He prefers original works or AU Gundam

>>23869503
>If the Federation promises protection and security but then their military threatens to blow up your colonies, then the agreement is void.

The Titans were dismantled and the AEUG ultimately came under Federation control.

>The Sleeves were tiny force and their loss doesn't affect Side 3.

Side 3's prime minister himself was backing them. We aren't talking about some minor political force. If facing the Federation directly were an option, we wouldn't see them resorting to this. They aren't going along with the treaty due to good will, it's because by that point Zeon doesn't have resources to actually challenge the Federation directly.

>>23869639
Yeah, AIslop.

>>23866843
>I don't doubt that the Feds would make economic sanctions or even openly threaten war if Side 3 didn't comply and rejoin.
That sure sounds familiar

>>23870695
>The Titans were dismantled
lol, lmao even

>>23869763
>He prefers original works or AU Gundam
Others' or his own?

>>23873976
>Others or his own?
If someone is making a Gundam anime, Tomino prefers original AU stories and for them to leave UC Gundam alone now. He believes the true UC story ended with CCA. (F91 and Victory were "soft reboots" that were not related to older stories).

Tomino has said good things about G Gundam, Gundam Wing, and Gundam Seed. Most recently Tomino personally went to go see Gundam Seed Freedom and praised it.

>>23873999
Then I guess he wouldn't care for 0080. Bummer.

>>23875141
Someone asked Tomino about the OVAs (0083, 08th MS Team, Etc) and Tomino said he didn't watch them, and he doesn't personally consider them to be UC Gundam. It's like watching someone else draw on your painting after you already finished it.

Yes that includes Unicorn and NT too. Tomino didn't really like them either based on few things he saw. He didn't like how Unicorn/NT brought back Mineva Zabi and kept reusing old ideas like colony drops and colony lasers. Tomino said he intended for Mineva to escape her Zeon past, and live out the rest of her days as a happy ordinary girl with a new identity.

One producer said Tomino even came into the studio one day and had a private meeting with the writers of Unicorn/NT. He gave them a long lecture and told them they needed to be more original and come up with own unique ideas. Not to reuse the same ideas he already explored in his previous works.

>>23875218
Well, he's not wrong about all the rehashing.

>>23875218
I maintain that Unicorn would never have been written if Sunrise hadn't dropped the ball on ZZ so hard, leaving later writers with the unhappy chore of finding ways to fill in ZZ's most glaring omissions and worst fuck-ups.

>>23876425
That's what the Zeta movies are for and the new ending. Tomino deleted ZZ Gundam and gave everyone a happier ending.

Neo Zeon decides the political situation is too unstable and can't be trusted. It's not worth fighting over and wasting their resources trying to control the Earthsphere. They just wanted to live in peace and decide not to wage war. So Neo Zeon and Haman decides to leave the Earthsphere. Haman says they are taking multiple refugee ships that belong to the AEUG and Titans with them. Anyone who is sick of the Federation leaves with Haman and Neo Zeon. One big fleet migration. It's not said where this big Neo Zeon/Refugee combined Fleet goes, but I like to believe they left for Mars to start their own civilization away from the Federation. Perhaps they became Mars Zeon?

Axis asteroid is abandoned due to excessive damage in the final battle with the Titans. Axis is left empty floating in space.

This directly leads into CCA. During the 7 year time skip, Char watches the Federation to see if they will finally honor their promises they made to the AEUG. They have 7 years with no war to fulfill their promises. These include reforming the government, giving Spacenoids the right to vote and more Freedom, fixing the environment on Earth, and pushing more Earthnoids to go to space to allow the Earth heal.

Unfortunately the Federation didn't honor any of their Zeta Gundam era promises. So Char starts his own new Neo Zeon rebellion. He summons whatever leftover Zeon remnants, that didn't leave with Haman earlier, to fight under his banner (which explains his Force's small size. Char is scraping the bottom of the barrel). Char takes the empty Axis asteroids and tries to drop it on Earth.

Honestly the movie ending makes more sense than whatever story ZZ Gundam was trying to tell. Haman and Neo Zeon chooses peace. They take people sick of the Federation with them, and they leave to start their own civilization elsewhere. More hopeful ending.

Tomino is an out of touch boomer.

>>23869625
>Audrey is the fake
As of moon, that is exceedingly unlikely unless there is a second body double. She SHOULD be the fake, but it's very likely she isn't.

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Audrey is good actually.

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>>23872565
>AIslop