/m/ — How accurate is this manga to the real-life events? was Tomi

The only things you can trust from this book are the throwaway details. Everything else is bullshit.

>>23885377 (OP)
>did he really complain to a hentai magazine about Sayla's nipple not being pink?
Yes. Tomino himself was the one who told us the original story in an interview.

>Was he really hated by Sunrise and Bandai executives?
Partially. Tomino knows how to play the political game, knows how use fan support, and used the news media to his advantage.

For example after Zeta movie 1 was a massive success in theaters, he was interviewed by the news. Tomino then gave a heart felt speech where he said Bandai refuses to give him a real budget. That he truly wanted to give fans better animation but Bandai refused his calls for help and only gave him a tiny animation staff. Tomino shamed Bandai and Sunrise publicly. The following days his interview was all over Japan. Bandai and Sunrise agreed to give him a bigger budget and more staff. No enough to reanimate Zeta completely, but enough to do a lot more for Movie 2.

Tomino does a lot of little things like that to ensure that he gets most of what he wants.

Like how he got the live action Director of Gundam (Jordan whatever his name is) fired. Tomino gave an interview where he said he felt deeply disrespected because Jordan didn't speak to him once, and refuses to respond to his attempts to contact him. Tomino was shut out of production and said he felt like an outsider. Bandai panicked and flew Jordan out to Japan and tried to play it off on social media as a trip to visit Japan and meet Tomino. But Tomino was no impressed and Jordan was fired shortly after wards

>Did he push Zaku so much because he liked it more than Gundam?

Back then the sponsors of anime shows didn't care about the bad guy mechas at all. So they let the animation staff so what they want with the bad guy mechas. So Tomino worked with a mecha designer (Okawara) to make Zeon's mecha as unique and memorable as possible.

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>>23885377 (OP)
it's mostly exaggerated bullshit with some facts added here and there to push bandai's propoganda.
they wanted to unveil a gundam statue so characters of various staff members were used as a mouthpiece.
manga is actively disrespectful to nagano and it's recommended to check from better sources like jp wiki, pixiv dic, simmons etc for gundam production history.
tldr, fake and gay.

>>23885377 (OP)
>How accurate is this manga to the real-life events?
well, he had hair through Ideon's production, there's that for sure

>>23885392
>Jordan Vogt-Roberts
I remember some Gundam fans are coping thinking he's a good choice just because he talked about the franchise like ZZ and such thus giving the impression that he knows the franchise all too well. Yet dude is a fucking hack, no different than Josh Trank or that scammer who directed 47 Ronin.

>>23885392
>Like how he got the live action Director of Gundam (Jordan whatever his name is) fired.

Ohhhhhhhhhh I remember this. This was last year right?

I remember a Japanese reporter asking Tomino if he was excited about the Netflix Live Action Gundam and if he could share any behind the scenes information with readers.

Tomino surprised them and said he's very annoyed with the Director and he has no information to share because every attempt he made to get in touch with the movie staff had been met with silence. Tomino said felt like he's been blacklisted from his own franchise.

Supposedly it was Tomino's dream to direct a live action movie. He wishes he could direct a live action Gundam but even if he can't he had hoped to be a consultant with the director and share ideas.

>>23885392
>Tomino worked with a mecha designer (Okawara) to make Zeon's mecha as unique and memorable as possible.
Pretty sure this is bullshit. I think Tomino showed Okawara half a dozen enemy mecha concept sketches all called "Gelgoog" and said he was trying to make something like Starship Troopers where these were all guys in suits. Then Okawara just ignored them and went looking for IJA scuba kamikaze photos.

>>23885495
it's a pretty well known that tomino worked on sketching zeon mechs, especially in the later half.
he also requested okawara to give the iconic mono eye for zaku.

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>>23885377 (OP)
It's obviously dramatized but the broad strokes are true, surprisingly. Like how a lot of Gundam fans and normies think that Gundam got cancelled but was saved by the Gunpla, but in fact, Gunpla was released months after the series had ended, and it didn't even sell. I've read ancient blogs on FC2 from Japanese old-timers reminiscing about how they used to find kits on clearance at discount stores. It was only after New Year's when Gunpla got featured in Hobby Japan did it take off and kids had to start lining up or reserving them in advance.

>>23885392
>So Tomino worked with a mecha designer (Okawara) to make Zeon's mecha as unique and memorable as possible.
No, the only thing that Tomino requested is that the Zaku have a mono-eye; everything else was up to Okawara and further refined by Yasuhiko. This was the arrangement until after the introduction of the G-Armor when they needed a lot of throwaway monsters-of-the-week, but Yasuhiko fell ill and Okawara was juggling other jobs, so Tomino sketched out a ton of mecha designs and Okawara only cleaned them up as they were. There really wasn't any grand plan about making them unique and memorable like you're suggesting, maybe it was true for the Zaku because it was originally intended to be the only enemy mecha in the show, but you could tell they were just churning them out by the series mid-point to avoid cancellation.

>>23885545
Lololllolo I love this. He's not afraid to say he's not the only one behind Gundam it was a whole crew, And he is also not afraid to make fun of the administration.

>>23885624
It was saved by women, then by reruns, and those reruns inspired them to change tacks and start selling all the mechs as model kits instead of just selling the Gundam and its associated hero mechs as basic toys.

>>23886016
>It was saved by women
This is an overstatement.

>>23885392
>Like how he got the live action Director of Gundam (Jordan whatever his name is) fired.
you've got a source for that anon?

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>>23886016
No, you're getting the timeline mixed up; Bandai had already received letters from teenage fans begging for model kits instead of Clover's diecast toys *before* the show was even over. Hell, the reruns didn't even help the model kits when they were released, because even though they were cheap, they weren't really that appealing to kids:

>Meanwhile, the plastic models went on sale in August of that year. Looking at the assembled models, however, they seemed pretty lifeless. They were lanky and top-heavy, and didn't look at all like weapons. When you gave them guns, the models' arms drooped. We said, "Is this really Gunpla?"
>At that point, it was actually the plastic model fans who came to our rescue. In the model magazines, scenes of the Gundam slicing through a Zaku in the first episode were reproduced as dioramas. They all used putty to add thickness to the skinny parts, turning these cheap-looking models into magnificent Gundams and Zakus. In the process, Bandai finally found out what its customers were looking for, and it released a second series which were better made. As a result, they created a big boom, with even grade-schoolers buying them.(Masao Iizuka, Planning Office Desk, Sunrise)

Not to say the reruns were unpopular; Gundam fans have this impression that Zeta had the highest TV ratings of any Gundam, but it's average rating was 6.6%; meanwhile Gundam's first rerun had an average rating of 17.1% in Nagoya and 13.1% in Kanto. The Gundam hype was real.

>>23886216
Don't trust the suite, they've actively been trying to rewrite history to say Gundam was always about selling model kits. Tomino has said in multiple interviews that women were what saved Gundam.

>>23886223
*suits
Also I know it's >Reddit, but it's the best source given the others are bottomfeeder news sites:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Gundam/comments/51pfi6/tomino_in_a_1998_interview_re_the_importance_of/

>>23886223
>women were what saved Gundam
This has never been true.

>>23886223
I'd trust the corpo suits on the money stuff more than I would the artists
Fujos don't buy model kits
well at least until 00

>>23886233
I heard 00's character merch push flopped, and Seed's was more successful.

>>23886242
Because 00 Gundam was trying way too hard with their character designs.

All the pilots were different ages and were stereotypical.

1 older man who is witty, loves flirting, and appeals to older ladies.

1 extremely pretty/handsome ambiguously gendered robot learning about human emotions. Sometimes he wears male clothes. Sometimes she wears female clothes.

1 brown pilot short haired pilot who is full of trauma who appeals to girls who think "I can fix him".

1 long haired piloted with personality disorder. One personality is soft and loving. The other personality is a hard edged cold blooded killer.

And to make matters weirder, their uniforms were color coded with bright different colors. Thus defeating the purpose uniforms. They resemble power rangers rather then pilots.


The most successful shows with female views (Gundam Wing and Gundam Seed) didn't use such shallow ideas.

>>23886092
Pretty sure >>23885392 and >>23885462 are making it up (probably samefagging) they've been posting this fanfic since the moment the director switch was announced but have never sourced this supposed interview and nothing shows up on google even in Japanese

>>23886249
Okay thank you chatgpt.

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Char and Amuro is maybe the most popular pairing in the entire Gundam franchise. I am super surprised by how popular OL Haman is with both genders.

>>23886223
>>23886227
I'm just referring to the part where you said the reruns inspired them to start selling the mecha as model kits, which is just patently untrue. I didn't say anything about women or whatever it is you thought I said.

>>23886262
Wait is that actually a chatbot post? I don't want to read it.

>>23886281
NTA but while it's probably not chatgpt it's almost certainly written by an autist.

>>23886056
>>23886228
Why do /m/'s Gundamfags accept everything Tomino says except this? Are you insecure about the fact that Gundam appeals to a sizeable amount of women? Are you afraid of liking the same things as women?

>>23886288
I'm not afraid of anything, why are you trying this hard to push a false narrative? Not only that but trying to turn it into some kind of idpol gender war crap. Are you an [[[[Anaheim Electronics]]]] employee or something?

>>23886288
It's liking the same thing but liking different things about it that makes people mad. You like this, but you like it in the wrong way. As a black coffee drinker myself I totally get it.

>>23886296
>I'm not afraid of anything
Clearly you are since you're spouting /pol/tard rhetoric.

>why are you trying this hard to push a false narrative?
It's literally the word of Tomino vs the word of some basement dwellers who haven't even worked on anything Gundam related and who are oddly reactionary over this one specific claim made by the creator of the franchise.

>>23886304
>/pol/ out of nowhere
Thanks for admitting you are not arguing in good faith.

>>23886318
Thanks for projecting and admitting you're a complete retard.

>>23886287
If it's made by an autist, it's fine. The issue is if it's by a chatbot, which tells me the anon either doesn't care or is a deadly combination of spiteful and lazy who wouod order bots to retort my arguments rather than factcheck or even pull something out of his ass about 00 being shit.

>>23886249
00 had the best character designs of any Gundam show ever though. All the women are good looking. All of the men are handsome in their own way with appearances that match the intent of their arcs. The style is so vibrant and smooth and simply pleasant to look at. I wish anime still looked like that.

>>23886355
>All the women are good looking
They are all boring as fuck.

>>23886343
I for one think it's spiteful and lazy autism; it's not written by a chatbot but certainly might be pulled out of his ass.

>>23886355
No offense but I think F91 or Zeta had the best character design. 00 is great but the aliens all look the same

>>23886355
>All the women are good looking
Women don't care about that. In fact it annoys them when the anime women are too good looking.

>All of the men are handsome
Men don't care about that. And women care much more about emotional storytelling and drama. It's why 0079 was so popular with women. They loved the survival family drama on White Base. And to be honest...the white Base crew isn't exactly the most handsome. Hayato, Ryu, and Bright? Lol. Says alot when Bright is the most handsome.

>>23886255
Can you even read Japanese? You are just a Westerner who can't keep up with the rapid speed of Japanese social media. It's already very old news.

>>23886765
>Women don't care about that
Bisexual ones do.
>Men don't care about that
Fags do.
>And women care much more about emotional storytelling and drama
If that was the case then all the bargain bin otome games and gachas wouldn't be as successful as they are when their writing is so trash. The Gundam Meisters all have emotional drama and/or love interests to hook the female audience up.

>>23886242
>I heard 00's character merch push flopped
You heard lies.

>>23886785
I don't see you proving it right or wrong. Then again you can't trust metrics posts given how many of them keep making up reasons to accuse G-Witch of being a commercial failure.

>>23886783
>Bisexual ones do.
Tiny minority

>Fags
They don't buy model kits. So Bandai doesnt care. GWitch proved that with its awful gunpla sales.

>If that was the case then all the bargain bin otome games and gachas wouldn't be as successful as they are when their writing is so trash
No. The narrative writing is mediocre, but it's still full of cheap emotional drama. Therefore female fans get hooked.

To use a food analogy, these games are "cheap fast food". Quickly made, easy to understand, and consumed quickly. A guilty pleasure for buyers.

It's like people who love fast literature or fast fashion. The book may be mediocre, but readers want their cheap romance novels so they can self insert. So the books still sell.

Or for fast fashion... the quality of the material is cheap, but it looks good and is trendy. Downside is the clothing will fall apart after several washes in the washing machine. But it's so cheap you can just buy more later on.

>Gundam Meisters all have emotional drama and/or love interests to hook the female audience up.
You don't know what you are talking about. You didn't watch the anime or have a bad memory.

Neil Dylandy is dead. Lyle's love interest is dead. No one is even sure what Tieria is into. Setsuna only loves robots or is an A Sexual. Hallelujah literally gets made fun of by Japanese fans because all he can do is yell "Marie!" and get his ass kicked most of the show. The show is terrible for romance. It's a failure.

An actual show with love interests for every male and female character is Gundam Wing. And female fans do love it. Another example is Season 1 of Gunpla build fighters.

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>go to Japan
>both men and women like Gundam
>nobody gives a shit
Thats crazy. RIP Akihabara. You used to be cool.

>>23887013
>RIP Akihabara
It's still alive and kicking.

>>23886985
>To use a food analogy
You lose.

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>>23887241
>You lose.

>>23886956
They made a stageplay over a decade after the show ended, a stageplay that doesn't even have robots in it, it's all the characters themselves.

>>23886777
"very old news" doesn't disappear from the internet. If this interview you made up existed you'd be able to link it or an article discussing it. Any slightly spicy thing Tomino says that blows up in Japan instantly gets milked for drama here but there's nothing in the archives. You only made up this interview together with your narrative after Jordan was replaced and have never once linked any source.

>>23887356
>"very old news" doesn't disappear from the internet.
Lol. Yes they do. Websites purge old news articles all the time. Nobody expects it to last forever on the cloud anymore. Save a copy to your personal hard drive of you want to make sure it never disappears.

>>23887502
>the cloud
Kek what a retard.

>>23887502
It doesn't matter if the original news website goes down altogether. The interview you're claiming exists would surely have been talked about in Japanese drama blogs, twitter accounts, message boards. Yet not a single trace of it exists outside of /m/ because you made it up. We're not talking about some ancient history here either, we're talking about something that supposedly happened within the last 5 years.

>>23886092
There's an anon who's been pushing this line for a few years and I wouldn't be surprised if this was him.

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>>23885495
>I think Tomino showed Okawara half a dozen enemy mecha concept sketches all called "Gelgoog"
Funnily enough, the the Gelgoog was actually one which started with a rough design by Tomino

>>23887794
Are those before or after Okawara did cleanups?

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>>23887808
Before, picrel's a good example of the pipeline from Tomino's rough sketches > refined Okawara design > animation-ready Yasuhiko model

>>23887822
I wonder why he was so ashamed of the Gyan that he deleted it from the compilations.

>>23887888
Retard.