/o/ — How much pain in the ass is it to maintain old cars (> 30 ye

>How much pain in the ass is it to maintain old cars (> 30 years) ?
Depends on the car
>Are they fun to drive?
Depends on the car
>Are they more dangerous?
Yes.

>>28978969 (OP)
they'll fare ok in rollover and head-on crashes but getting t-boned may pwn you or whoever's riding shotgun, so don't get t-boned.
the 90s-mid 2000s were the peak in terms of computer-managed engines that were still fairly accessible to work on for a diyer. 2010s were when it started going downhill.

>>28978969 (OP)
Maintenance can be more expensive because stuff that you normally don't think about in a new car is at end of life in such an old car. For instance most rubber seals will be hard and brittle which will cause small leaks all over, the engine will probably be due for a rebuild at that age though if you don't care about refilling oil every few weeks then you can probably just live with it. Assuming the car is reliable and you do keep up on maintenance there shouldn't be any big problems with it, but you do have to keep up with maintenance, a lot of people get old cars because they hear simple and reliable and think it means just oil changes and go forever, then they ignore all sorts of warning signs until they get a catastrophic failure and wonder what happened. Also depending on how old and rare the car is you can have trouble finding parts or even finding someone willing to work on it, by the way if you can't wrench you're gonna get fleeced at the mechanic. Oh and also I think the law explicitly forbids dailying classic cars so it's not really the loophole you think it is.

>>28978969 (OP)
Depends on the car.
My dad has a 1966 c10 truck that still starts on the first crank.

>>28978996
IDK where you live but you can daily an old car here in NY as long as you aren't using historical insurance/historical plates. The only problem is most insurance companies won't insure anything before 1981 under normal insurance.

>>28978969 (OP)
Bought a 91 marquis in 2022, list of things I've had to change since then
>tires
>entire ac system except for heater core
>belts
>idler
>idler again
>various egr, pcv, etc. sensors
>valve cover gaskets
>upper and lower intake gaskets
>4 or 5 vaccuum hoses
>smog pump delete
>both front pads and rotors
>fuel tank neck and grommet
>starter and starter solenoid
>windshield (hit a turkey)
>vinyl top and headliner
Things I still need to do
>rebuild transmission
>fix parking brake
>weatherstrip

>>28978974
5 percent safer for 90 percent more bullshit
No deal. New slop troft champ.

>>28980948
Oh yeah forgot the master cylinder and brake booster
So yeah I've absolutely spent more on parts than I paid for the car, and probably more that its worth

>>28980951
Also forgot about spark plugs, wires, cap, rotor, ignition coil, tfi module
There's probably a few things else im forgetting
The gist of it is, it never ends lol

>>28980951
>>28980961
>>28980948

sounds like a pain in the a, i dont even have a place to wrench
i guess i will just get a recent ice

>>28979526
>most insurance companies won't insure anything before 1981 under normal insurance.
Lol
Not an issue dude.
I currently have (3) 60s vehicles on my insurance. Its no different than any other vehicle.
Except they have to "force" the system to take the 11 digit VINs.
Same with registration. Its always "are you SURE thats the VIN sir?" (Dont need a title to register vehicles older than '85 in my current state, ive done it with zero paperwork and just gave them a VIN from memory)

"Maintenance" is a 1 time thing (per item)
Youre mostly replacing factory parts. Once you swap the master cylinder it will last you 30-40 years.
It just eventually becomes a complete rebuild, even if its full functioning when you buy it.

>>28980950
I am that anon, I agree with you sort of.
I drive a 2000 lb 30 year old car. My roof is below the wheel well of a lot of the shit around nowadays. I’m pretty sure I’d get destroyed by some distracted Stacey, I’m not going to pretend I don’t worried at least a little about it.

>>28978974
Pretty much this, though some are really safe. I had an E32 that got rear ended by a Toyota Camera and the front of his car was crumpled almost to the windshield while my E32 just had a cracked bumper and a bit of a bend in the rear metal (which got fixed). Some kind of miracle I guess, who knows.

Reliability was great but I maintained that thing autistically and it had a good amount of previous service records when I bought it.

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>>28978969 (OP)
yes, the 1996 Nissan Micra 998cc 'Hollywood' edition is simultaneously one of the finest handling automobiles ever built, and one of the most complex and difficult to maintain

>>28978969 (OP)
>I'm asking because old timers are exempt from those stupid low emission zones
Exactly the wrong mindset to appreciate older cars. You'd hate one the first time it gave any guff and never get over it.

>>28981200
That's why I replace as much as I can right off the bat. New suspension, hoses, brake parts, etc. Lots get ignored because they still function but by the time you get it, it's a time bomb and you'll think the car's unreliable if you only fix things as they break.
I daily 2 early 90's cars and the only major drivability issues I've had was a wheel cylinder (I do skip out on drums b/c they suck) and a stuck IACV, both on a truck with 300k+ miles.

>>28981239
Same, no airbags or driver's aids on either of mine, one is a tiny tin can. Def should be a consideration if you have a family or dependents.

>>28981142
you definitely need to know how to wrench or you will go broke. Space to wrench immensely helps too, but there are some anons here that work on their car while it's parked in the street or something, but sometimes people get the shits with that.
>>28981239
my car doesn't even have a collapsible steering column. lap belts only too, so if someone crashes into me i'm totally, absolutely, hands down fucked lol. i feel that this niggling thought in the back of my mind keeps my head on a swivel though.

>>28981200
Only if you use brand new OEM parts, which can be very expensive or unobtanium depending on the car. And even if you provide the labor it's still very expensive to rebuild a car piecemeal like that, to the point where you'll keep wondering if you couldn't have bought a much newer car for what you've spent on your old shitbox. Point is, you REALLY gotta want to drive an old car and be willing to pay whatever it takes to do it, if you're getting into an old car to save money you're gonna regret it.

>>28981246
Modern cars chassis are designed to crumple to absorb the force of impact so that it doesn't reach the people in the cabin, it might suck from a repairability point of view but in a more dramatic accident that can be the difference between being able to walk away from the wreck vs never walking again. You can see it in action in that one high speed burgerking crash between a Porsche and a BMW, both cars were utterly mangled and in the Porsche the entire front was completely gone, but both drivers walked away with minor injuries.

>>28981377
>the first time it gave any guff

what is a guff

>>28978969 (OP)
In my experience 90s cars are easiest to maintain without having to deal with things like carbs and drum brakes, and while still having things like fuel injection and double din.

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>>28981555
>and double din
2005 version of apple car play.
stupid fucking feature.

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>>28981555
Why are people so scared of drum brakes
Its not the fukken space shuttle
Stop being a pussy

>>28981603
You dont understand bro. I NEED to swap out the factory radio with something with a touchscreen. Every car HAS to have an iPad on the dash bro. If i had to drive a car with a single din, or even worse, the stock radio, I would uniirironicalllllly dieeeeeee

>>28981659
because I can change the front brake pads on my brembos in like 10 minutes. total. how long do you have to fuck around with drum brakes. it's not about being scared, it's about wasting time on obsolete bullshit.

>>28981681
How often do you change your brakes?

It's like IT. Touch one thing and it will all fall apart.

>>28981681
I can do my rear drums in maybe 15-20 minutes. I do have a bit of practice working on road tractors though. Maybe stop being a useless faggot?

>>28981684
before and after every track day so I'm not wasting my 800 dollar track pads driving on the street? Regardless, we've long moved on from drum brakes because they're obsolete garbage. The majority of people who do restomods dump the drum brakes at the first chance they can.

>>28981696
>just buy a shitty car like the rest of us, it only takes twice as long to do basic maintenance on. it's part of the character of the car. muh soul.

>>28981708
ehh, I thought drum brakes were shit to work on until I watched uncle tony's video where he showed some old timer tricks to working with them.
Now the only specialised/dedicated tools I need to work on them are the ones to release the anchor pin springs, and the shoe hold-down springs. I tried using the tool that pulls the anchor springs back onto the anchor pin, but I could never get them on; I unironically found it easier to use a flathead screwdriver to slip them back on.
Mind you, I converted to front discs because I do plan on hooning and the occasional track day, and drums do suck at heat dissipation.

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>>28981851
Youre suppose to use this tool for the springs.
You slip the hook end of the spring over the little nub, stick the "socket" portion on the stud and twist.
I can do drum brakes faster than disc.

>>28981550
>what is a guff
An example of American Idiomatic English. Basically means backtalk. In this case it would be the car not doing what you're wanting/needing it to do.

>>28981708
>we've long moved on from drum brakes because they're obsolete garbage.
Trucks, like proper trucks not some gay chevy with a bed still run drum brakes.
That being said I do agree that disks are all around better in a regular car.

>>28981878
i know - i have no trouble with that tool at all, getting the springs off is super easy with that. it's getting the springs *on* that i find easier with a flathead, than the proper tool.