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>>2857989 (OP)
Tell me, what was the weather like in the Midwest in 1776? How about in Mexico in 1452? What was the high in Columbus, OH on June 8 1870? How about the low for the same place and day in 75 BC?
You have no clue. Without this data, you and other people claim that the globe is warming, and then, because of the difficulty in defending that position, that the climate is changing. It's all a hoax.

in the room the ice ages come and go
talking of michelangelo

>>2857989 (OP)
I miss the snow so much.

>>2857991
We are accelerating considerably. Ice ages take 10,000 years.1.5°C hotter in 150 years is 10-20x faster than any natural cycle. Your house being hit by lightning is a natural cycle too, but if you kept gasoline on the roof hoping to never get struck, you'd be a retard.

>>2857989 (OP)
The coldest winter of our lives is behind us, and the coolest summer too.

There used to be a ski resort two hours drive from my house with awesome upper runs. Nothing beyond the bunny hill and tubing slide has been consistently open for the past decade.

>>2857993
OK retard. What's your plan to stop the solar and geological processes?

>>2857993
>150 years
Insignificant in terms of climate.

>>2857989 (OP)
>The snowy world you grew up in no longer exists.
Last I checked it still snows here, every year. Must suck being some southern cunt with no mountains.

>>2857989 (OP)
if the oceans are rising, why are billionaires who pay to have this constantly shouted in every venue, buying more and more ocean front property?

>>2858039
Because they're billionaires retard. They're buying beach houses they'll own for 10-20 years tops. That doesn't disprove sea level rise any more than a CEO buying cigarettes disproves lung cancer. The ocean's risen 9 inches since 1880, we measure it with tide gauges. Meanwhile, insurance companies who actually price risk are fleeing coastal Florida. Try insuring a house there. Billionaires don't even need insurance.

>>2857989 (OP)
Global warming is real but not anthropogenic. Billions must suffer.

>>2857990
Its like when Europe had "the worst drought on record!!" and the shoreline along the river bank receded to show carvings in the bedrock that dated back to the 1400s.

>>2857989 (OP)
>depriving you of snowy winters
Depriving me of the snow that I just went snowshoeing in yesterday? 20 more inches are expected to fall without melting so it looks like I'll be doing the same next weekend. But thanks for your concern ig.

>>2857989 (OP)
It hurts.
We good 3 days of good snow this year, and I was fucking ill during them.
>>2858054
Yeah, they didn't record exact precipitation or river levels in the 1400s so those droughts are not on a real record. We can infer from the descriptions that they were pretty damn bad though, some worse than anything we had this century.
>If you see me, then weep

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>>2857990
What a pseudoscientific misdirection. The point isn't to recall micro-weather patterns on specific dates, it's to use the evidence of a trend that's recorded in the earth itself and compare it against modern averages.
The evidence shows that the current trend of average temperature increase is unprecedented in the history of the planet. The only thing that comes close is an extinction event millions of years ago (forget which one), and even that experienced warming over a period of thousands of years, not a few decades.
This only looks at temperature by the way. The research tracks many different environmental factors that are also changing in worrying ways.
>>2857996
Simple really- stop releasing emissions that trap heat in the atmosphere, and dedicate a large part of available human labor to environmental reclamation efforts.
Well the idea is simple anyway. The act of emissions degrowth will be (and have been) fought tooth and nail by powerful moneyed interests, and there is no way to direct the necessary funds toward environmental reclamation away from more profitable endeavors.
>>2858039
This argument is why we shouldn't trivialize the impact of billionaires to what they consume. They primarily direct human labor based on how they divine meaning from the trends of an anarchistic and wild "free" market. The net effect of this is far worse than whatever yachts they choose to buy and not use.

>>2857990
tree rings tell the relative temps and level of precip

Ice cores are even more precise and go back 100,000s of yrs

is it wilful ignorance or cognitive dissonance?

>>2858065
If I can't understand how it works
And I don't like the results
It's clearly politically motivated fake science

>>2857989 (OP)
Whether it's a natural process being fear mongered or actually "our" fault, there is nothing you as an individual can do to stop it.
Personally I'm going to enjoy growing oranges in alaska.

>>2858069
I can vote for politicians that enact legislation to lower carbon dioxide emissions.

>>2858072
What is this I don't even

>>2858067
No, no. The climate change/global warming farce has been shown to be based on manipulated data, for political and financial purposes.

>>2858075
Is that what Fox News tells you?

>>2858070
Why don't you stop using computers, taxing the grid, and producing tons of electronic waste?

>>2858075
>manipulated data
They also manipulated my memory and made me believe we had more snow ten years ago. Insidious, truly.

>>2858077
Prisoner's dilemma anon.
If I or a few people consoom less, the rest of the world will consoom more because it has become cheaper. Very little effect. What is necessary is for everyone to consoom less, enforced by law (as in, carbon dioxide taxes and such). Then I will automatically consoom less because I cannot afford it.
(Also I drive a small car, don't travel much and don't eat meat every day. Think that puts me ahead of most people in the first world.)

>>2858079
I think you've merely given yourself an intellectual get-out-of-jail-free card, instead of taking real and practical action towards your purported goal. Blue bin/black bin thinking. Outsource the problem to someone else.

>>2858080
Yeah, I'm lazy and can't be bothered to do more. Sue me. Also I'm not living like a treehugger when you anons out there drive pickups and eat beef every day.

>>2858075
>based on manipulated data
so....cognitive dissonance. got it. thanks

>>2858063
Emissions have nothing to do with volcanic eruptions or solar output fluctuations, both of which have magnitudes more impact on global temperatures.
>>2858079
>>2858082
The environmental movement is a social engineering program, one of the goals of which is to attempt to preserve the status quo of Western hegemony. Any restrictions you might imagine in your global authoritarian government scenario would have the effect of freezing the economies of the 2nd and 3rd Worlds.

>>2858083
Correct. Zoom out.

>>2858084
>global authoritarian government scenario
Implying implications I never implied
What would happen is that the reasonable governments of the world come together to set emission targets and keep by them. Any government that would not follow would be punished, for example in the form of tariffs and embargoes. No authoritarian world government needed.
>freezing the economies of the 2nd and 3rd Worlds
I'm already in favour, you don't need to sell it to me.

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>>2858084
>one of the goals of which is to attempt to preserve the status quo of Western hegemony
is that why they destroy western economies and redistribute wealth to the third world ad infinitum?

>>2858070
That's won't do anything but hurt people.

>>2858141
This is a lie.

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>>2858105
>redistribute wealth to the third world ad infinitum?
>thinks global wealth is going to Africa

>>2857989 (OP)
Oh trust me I know. We've been getting less and less snow here for years.

>>2858141
It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his recklessly consoomerist lifestyle depends on his not understanding it.

>>2858069
You won't be around to see that though.

>>2858073
Incoherent nigbabble. Just ignore it.

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>>2857990
There's plenty of data available in ice cores, tree rings, oxygen isotope ratios in sedimentary plankton and corals, radiocarbon dating, direct human measurements in the historic record, and the geologic features of the landscape itself.
Just because you're too stupid to understand the evidence doesn't mean it can be wholly dismissed.

>>2858025
Bro i live at 9.8k feet in Colorado and I'm looking at a grassy lawn rn

>>2858280
They won't respond to this.

>da trees can tell me the temperature from centuries ago
lefties really are a retarded bunch lmfao

>>2858339
>wilful ignorance is a religion
rightoids make being retarded a way of life.

>>2857990
fpbp

>>2858176
>Just because you're too stupid to understand the evidence doesn't mean it can be wholly dismissed.
This, it's honestly almost impressive how some people can have the confidence to just assume that they've figured it all out and all people researching this shit full time are just too dumb to get it

>>2857989 (OP)
We are on the way out of an ice-age currently. This makes sense

>>2857989 (OP)
fuck just snow, everyone's been noticing the massive drop off in bug populations right? I can drive for hours at night down the interstate and hardly get anything but rocks on my windshield.

>>2858405
That’s fucking bad retard bugs are a necessary part of the ecosystem but muh shitty Honda’s windshield doesn’t get dirty

>>2858415
yeah that's what my point was, why would you interpret it as me thinking this is a good thing?

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>>2857989 (OP)

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>>2858078
>They also manipulated my memory and made me believe we had more snow ten years ago. Insidious, truly.
There actually is a false social consensus and I live in it. I'm from Madison, WI and pretty much everybody agrees that it used to be way snowier. So I checked into that and made this chart. It shows the mean snow depth in each year. Blue highlights the years with more than the 1.0 mean, and red highlights the years with less.

We see a recent trend with 76% of the mean since 2015, but we see MORE snow than normal since 2008. I've passed this around and nobody replies. They legitimately don't care that we've had more snow on the ground than usual over the last 20 years. They only care about what they perceive is the common social consensus.

I have videos from November with my nephew standing on a snow bank that is almost 2x taller than him, during a winter that has been snowier than usual, and my sister in law spoke at Christmas about how there is less snow than there used to be.

>>2858434
Based data wielder

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>>2858434
Yeah no. I can't find similar data for my area right now but it definitely decreased. I remember being pissed at weeks of dirty snow on the streets, now there's nothing. Depends on the area of course.
What I did find is this change of snow cover days from 1951 to 1996 (which I don't have proper memories of, but anyway.) Goes down by 50% in some cases. And increases in some others (the alps mostly).

>>2858438
Americans are lucky we have NOAA and the volunteers who track weather data. It is possible that you or I live in an outlier area. My point is more about the social portion.

I know ~15 people who believe that we have less snow on the ground throughout winter than we used to. None are correct. Susceptibility to hysteria must be factored into the discussion when people literally are not participating in reality. Especially since two of those 15 are retired scientists and three are/were public school teachers. All incorrect. All confident in the thing they misremember. One of those scientists worked for a government agency regarding climate change. At least one of those teachers (I'm sure all 3) tells her students that climate change is an imminent thread. But all are unwilling to revise their perspective.

Seeing this perspective in people who are otherwise educated and intelligent makes me suspicious of the charts that anons have posted in this thread. I see how determined people are to hang onto their narrative.

>>2858434
I can't speak for WI, but here in QC we might have the same snow fall as 50 years ago, but we also have far more rain, so we end up with nowhere near as much accumulation. I've only managed to ski once this year because conditions have been shit.

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>>2858451
Caribou, Maine, USA was as close to you as I could get. Check my work on the bottom if you want to.
RESULTS (in linked image):
Since 2014-2015:
5.5 inches of snow on the ground per day. So they've actually had more snow on the ground per day in these recent 11 years than over the 125 year span.

5.02 inches of snow on ground per day over the last 18 years.

4.98 inches on ground per day over last 39 years.

CONCLUSION:
The people who live 245km east of you have had !MORE SNOW! on the ground than usual over the last 11 years, and very slightly less over 18 and 39 years.

REASON I DO THIS:
I am a proponent of reality and dislike propaganda. Concerned about how social pressure controls how people perceive reality. Also wanted to do another region's chart to check if Madison is an outlier. I'll probably do more for other parts of the country to see if Madison, WI and Caribou, ME are outliers.

CHECK MY WORK:
Caribou, Maine: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/Climate?wfo=car
checked "monthly summarized"
set it from 1920-2026
variable: snow depth
summary: mean

>>2858434
>>2858447
When people say it used to be snowier, that is part of a longstanding american generational tradition to remember their youth as more snowy and christmas as more magical and so on. People have said that long before climate change was a thing. They just found a new sciencey way to justify their nostalgia