/out/ — I want to live like this.

>>2864587 (OP)
You sit on your ass browsing 4chan all day, you're too lazy to run a hobby farm.

>>2864587 (OP)
Youd still need a small barn for diy stuff and animals to winter in

>>2864587 (OP)
Only city boys dream about this life, us pigriders dream about killing ourselves

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>>2864587 (OP)
you can do that in the ozarks for less than $100k.

>food forest
where's the timber forest and guardian full of death traps forest?

>>2864589
fpbp

>>2864587 (OP)
you can't afford the lifestyle.

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>>2864587 (OP)
I want to live like (this).
I just have to amend the soil first.

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>>2864587 (OP)
Passively fantasizing isn't going to fix the actual source of your suffering, Yourself.
Start making small, real changes in the life you are actually living.

>>2864606
Those are on the other side of the surrounding thousand yard wide cleared kill zone that isn't shown due to the scale of the diagram.

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>>2864622
here is a great deal. $40k for a little house on acres. it has a well and electric. seems like a great deal

>>2864649
>Mammoth Spring
Didn’t some locals burn down out of staters cabins down there? That’s probably why.

>>2864606
>timber forest
the knowers grow grapes both for the fruit and the kindling after the harvest

>>2864587 (OP)
>food forest
orchard

I have a large property but I the effort and money I have to put into turning it into some kind of homestead is probably not worth the pay off. Frankly, I don't see myself as having the motivation or interest to do any kind of homesteading. Only thing I've done is plant a bunch of fruits trees here and there and built a chicken house but I got no chickens yet.
I have a field but I rent out to my neighbor who uses it to make hay for his cattle

>>2864589
OP won't respond to this.

>>2864649
Internet is shit.

>>2864709
>cope
arkansas has fiber optic on every power pole, next excuse?

>>2864711
Fiber optic cables used for high-speed internet requires running cables underground, and that's extremely expensive to do in rural areas.

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>>2864716
it is nice to have though
>t. live on 7 acres of forest in the woods with gigabit fiber.
The 450' or so up our driveway was only $500 to trench.

But barring that, Saaaaaarlink is actually pretty serviceable, we were getting 20ms ping times and decent throughput -- but that was a couple years ago, not sure if it's become more saturated and slower in the intervening period.

>>2864587 (OP)
sorry, but you're going to be crammed into a dirty smelly city and have your soul extracted.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RBYsQE4Pxb4

>>2864716
they are hung fiber optic on the powerlines, the power company now also offer internet, it was part of the covid stimulus bill. plus there is always starlink. next excuse? at least find a new one, you wont have time for the internet when you are living off the land.

>>2864716
Cost was zero dollars when my "neighbor" got internet hooked up.
They literally trenched my dirt road and threw the cable in the ground. They even bored under the pipe that drains the beaver pond. They ran about 2 miles of new line for him.

>>2864587 (OP)
I was once travelling in oregon and entered into a freeway entrance that led me to this street with nothing but huge gates for what id assume were ranches. I didnt get to see them properly, since the driveway went uphill, but i could only imagine how nice the houses were. This looks like a very cozy set up.

>>2864587 (OP)

I live this way. I love it. it feeds my body, mind and sovl. it is also grueling, stressful and it prevents us (married) from making full retirement contributions. we owe $74,500 on our mortgage and $75k on our land. total homestead is worth $350k. its a good investment; gotta have somewhere to live and it does feed us... but the market returns 12%-20% recently (pre-iraq). our mortgage is 5.12% 27yrs left and our land is at 1.5% 12yrs left. so you can see we chose the lower return by the numbers.

our electricity is $30-$50/mo because we have a DIY solar system with battery storage. no water hill, no sewage, no trash, and we only pay ~$225/yr in propane.

its not for everyone, but it works for us. there are better investments, but its about lifestyle and self-reliance for us.

>>2864587 (OP)
>No winter-proof housing for lifestock

Homesteading in tropical climates if for brownoids and LARPers.

>>2864717
But you're not in Arkansas.

>>2864719
>they are hung fiber optic on the powerlines, the power company now also offer internet, it was part of the covid stimulus bill.
Internet from a power company will always be shit.
>plus there is always starlink.
Extremely expensive for subpar service. Live in a cloudy or rainy area? Good luck staying connected.
> you wont have time for the internet when you are living off the land.
I agree. Many people "wishing" to live off the land are internet addicts who'll fold the moment they can't use their phone.
>>2864728
>Cost was zero dollars when my "neighbor" got internet hooked up.
>They literally trenched my dirt road and threw the cable in the ground. They even bored under the pipe that drains the beaver pond. They ran about 2 miles of new line for him.
Where are you located? The conversation has been about Arkansas specifically.

>>2864587 (OP)
Its called a servants quarters, you can't call them livestock areas anymore

>>2864746
it'll work out regardless when you are old, then you'll be set with a place, roof over your head, a hobby that isn't work and lotsa greens. what's not to love?

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>>2864789

>>2864624
this is bait right.

>>2864587 (OP)
i dont. different climate than you probably but thats barely the land needed for parking your snow plowing equipment, farming and logging tractor, cars, boats and snowmobiles.

>>2865438
OP pic is typical LARP bullshit.
>no place to park a car.
>goats and chickens in a 50x50 pen.
>orchard is a bunch of shrubs.
>everything crammed together to min/max the empty 1/2 acre lot they paid Schlomo Goldsteinberg $180k for.
That house smells like a combination of chicken and goat shit and theres 5,000 flies in the kitchen during the summer.
The crops will rot on the vines because after their 8 hour shift and 2 hour commute they pick a few things by flashlight and then go play Xbox because farming is too grueling.

>>2864719
>you wont have time for the internet when you are living off the land.
Stop being ridiculous.
>Y-YOU WILL BE WORKING 18 HOURS A DAY IF YOU WANT TO BE SELF SUFFICIENT!
Shut the fuck up, retard.

>>2865562
>[autisic lifefail screeching]
sorry son, yeah, your sandbox survival game lied to you, subsistence farm life is very labor intensive

>>2864746
You don't own anything. You are LARPING as a land owner while being a slave to a jew. I'm gonna be laughing my ass off when the bank takes it all back from your whiny faggot ass.

>>2865628

describe your /out/ life. describe your property. describe the single family house that you live in. describe the land that you cultivate, raise livestock and build infrastructure on.

oh, and do it without bullshitting... because I do. see... i'm not and never have been an impulsive, financial retard. when my shit is paid off in a few years, my cost of existence, while not free due to government theft, will be infinitesimally small compared to your ever increasing rent on your 550sqft apartment. don't get robbed while you shuffle to the subway.

I'm saving all my money to buy land for a turtle and tortoise farm. I'll practice syntropic agriculture to improve the land and keep food costs down.

>>2865628
These long nose goblins of yours that cause all your problems, are they in your parent's basement with you right now?

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Built a mobile duck coop.

we keep 3 varieties: Muscovy, Harlequin & Silver Appleyards. we have 2 stationary/permanent duck coops. we built this one for the muscovys since they will wander off if allowed too much freedom & time. let's them forage and touch grass without destroying the ground. we just move it every other day. the Apples & Harleys just get let out to free range, they stay reliably close to home roost.

>>2864587 (OP)
Sure, that'll be $2 Million + tip!

>>2864602
Piggers

>>2864746
>>2865638
(i'm not the autistic screecher you replied to)

seems legit, anon. i'm in an interesting spot where my permaculture zone 5 is a suburban intersection so i must get creative. i'm trying to turn that corner into one huge garden bed with 5' paths that could fit an avant if needed, and the border with the public is highbush blueberries and thornless raspberries (previously it was all privets and burning bush)

there's also a few natural "zones" in the interior that i'm developing in place, namely an oak grove next to my garage (as far as possible from the house, not attached), and a black walnut grove in the single largest dedicated garden space. the oak grove borders society but is screened by mulberry and other trees, with no houses immediately in the area, so i can prolly fit a couple beehives

there's an organized brush pile in one corner strategically hidden from the sidewalk away from all houses cuz bunnies fucking suck, and a compost area to contain any smell radius. the existing beds, i'm just doubling down on them by "anchoring" them with native cranberry virbirnum, hazelnut, elder, lining them with hardneck garlic, etc.

my main entrance is to the side so i have native sunflowers right there. strawberries throughout, utility area in back with poly dump cart, buckets, stakes, etc. (i also piss there) there's also a small garden shed to store tools, and a secret mini area off the kitchen for grilling, that gets decent sun despite its poor aspect.

i'm basically just working with what i have, planting native and ideally edible plants, and trying to develop 3-4 main "zones" of a 1/3 acre property (this is almost 2.5 suburb lots). i can also bike 5-10 minutes to a city center. i work remote so all spring and summer, i work outside with a portable power station and get to watch plants grow and the ambient noise is 95% birds and 5% cars. it's comfy and i want a wife to share it with

>>2864587 (OP)
me too

No place to park.

>>2868414
>oak "grove"
>walnut "grove"
>other trees
>....
>1/3 acre
Dude.
A 1/3 acre square is about 120 feet by 120 feet.
The canopy from a single burr oak can reach 80 feet wide.
There are live oaks in the mall parking lot down in Savannah with 120 feet of canopy from a single tree.
Granted those trees are a couple hundred years old.
But trying to plant large trees like that together will just choke eachother out- no single plant will grow to its potential.
Also-
Walnuts secrete an enzyme that inhibit the growth of other trees near it.
A plot that small is better used for things like cherry, plum, apple....

I planted about 30 trees on my property this year.
Pecan
Chestnut
Hickory
Black walnut
Burr oak
Live oak
Saw tooth oak
Maple
Cedar
Bradford pear
I plant about 2 dozen from that list every year (more than that and I dont have time to ensure theyre cared for as they acclimate to the property).
My first year I planted about 500 loblolly pine (they grow 3-4 feet a year)
I have dense areas where naturally seeded trees are competing and their quality is crap because they're all struggling for sunlight. I spend more time thinning undesirables from my forest than planting new trees.

1/3rd acre is about 14,700 square feet.
My place is about 1,500,000 square feet.
Ive seen what works and what you can squeeze into an area.
You need to dial it back a little if you want anything to thrive.

>>2864587 (OP)
And I want my asshole gaped by a strong white man. But you need to go outside and stop fantasizing. Just go for a hike. Touch grass.

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>>2869056
to be clear, i didn't actually plant these trees, and they're all adolescent (about 15-20' tall). they came with the property, and i'm only in my second season of ownership. last season, i destroyed a fuckton of invasives and planted an american linden, sugar maple, and mountain ash to help define the space's basic structure. the point of my post was to put the OP's idealized image into realistic context.

i'll certainly need to thin out the trees, and have 2 "keeper" candidates of each species. i'm keeping my options open right now. i do have an area reserved for a fruit tree forest that i'm going to prepare this season. waiting was prudent because i avoided having to deal with hundreds of dollars of bare-root trees during the worst blizzard in 50 years.

at this point, i'm still observing the property's current state and how i live on it. a good example would be the placement of garden beds. i wanted them in the back yard, downstream of the food forest's southern aspect, but that area will be too shady (there's already a massive norway maple across the property line). so i should locate them in the side yard, closer to the main entrance and with more sunlight.

>>2864587 (OP)
In Europe the land + house will be anywhere from 500k to 1 million euros. Depending on the location the price can rise exponentially

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>>2869056

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>>2869139
It's easy to start off and want to fill in gaps when trees are small.
I have a 20 yearold walnut thats just started to take off in the last 5 years and has gone from a 15 foot canopy to a 30.
Someday it will look like this.

>>2869139
>>2869162
based. i think we're solving different problems. i'm essentially capturing a vignette of a hike in the woods, and making sure every plant has some purpose. there will only be one mature oak next to the garage, but having a large stump or two increases the area's value as a cultivated forest nook. it's such a beautiful area, after i removed the multiflora rose and privet, that i dunno whether to put a 3rd picnic table or 2 beehives there. it also depends somewhat on the neighbors, so i'm kind of socially coerced to structure it so the most visible part is mowed, it doesn't spill over too much, the utilities don't create a nuisance, etc. getting dump trucks full of wood chips is not straightforward.

>>2869193
the idea is to have 3-5 large trees help loosely define 5-8 zones of suburban backyard, with a focus on native and cultivated edibles.

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>>2869193
Its enriching to see a "real poster" so ill help you as I can.

Family doesnt want to eat vegetables but green beans are acceptable (im trying man, its tough).
We canned (jarred) about 400 quarts in 2023 and are getting low so are doing another run.
Its A LOT of fucking work dude.
>pick (daily)
>cut
>clean
>boil
>jar
>pressure cook
>cool
>repeat
One day specifically everyone else was gone and I spent 14 hours by myself canning at peak season.
Pic is about a 10x50
Smaller plants are either from too much water (terrain) or too much nitrogen (tilling chicken poop).
We also do salsa but tomato worms (sphinx moths) destroy the crops unless you use poison and im Buddhist so we just go to local "pick your own, fill your buckets" farms.

>>2869198
>cont...

We had raised beds.
We did it yearly.
It SUCKED.
>go big every few years
Do you have a pressure cooker?
Do you have a faucet over your stove?
Do you have 1,000 Ball jars (with rings) from 1958 in your basement?
Point being....
Once you harvest, can you store (?)
Ever shucked a walnut?
Is there someone local that will shell your pecans?
Are you going to puree the peaches for the grandbaby? (We did)
Will she like the peaches?
>yes
Will she like the pears?
>nope. Well fuck, delete that 200 hours from this timeline.

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>>2869199
>forgot pic

Jars are actually a major thing.
Its about a buck for a quart jar.
That seems like no big deal except im going to can 400-500 quarts.

>>2869134
SoCal has that beat.
Ive seen cinderblock houses with zero yard in Compton (the ghetto of L.A.) go for $1.2 million.

>>2864697
>I have a field but I rent out to my neighbor who uses it to make hay for his cattle
This is the perfect set up to take a corner out and fence it. Hay is there, just take a few large bails out of the "share" and use it for a few cows or goats.