/p/ — /mfg/ Medium Format General

Sorry, I only fuck Planar.

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I adore my P6 but came to the realization that medium format is the worst of both worlds.

If quality is the ultimate concern then I go 4x5. If not, then having a pocket 35mm that goes everywhere trumps the quality advantage of MF.

>>4482561
As an aspiring 645 and or 6x6 filmfag, what's the issue? More biggur sensor/film plane better right? My understanding that digital MF is a meme because it's only like a 27% increase in surface area but 6x6 120 film is like three times larger than 35mm. Folding 645 cameras don't appear much bigger than 35mm SLRs and if factoring in lens then these cameras with their 80mm lenses or whatever are smaller than my SLR with a 70-200 attached.

Genuinely, what am I overlooking fren?

>>4482562
>digital MF is a meme
True
>Folding 645 cameras don't appear much bigger than 35mm SLR
True, I wouldn't use a 35mm SLR.

Not walking around holding a camera all the time became important to me, and I found the Minolta TC-1 which just goes in your pocket. This is my approach now >>4474374

Don't let me deter you, MF is cool. But also remember if you're scanning, scan quality is everything. Good 35mm scans beat MF flatbed scans.

>>4482568
>Thousand dollar point and shoot
ooof. Still a saner choice than a leica
>remember if you're scanning, scan quality is everything. Good 35mm scans beat MF flatbed scans.
Have a 1:1 good quality macro lens and 24MP full frame camera to scan with. I'll take your word for it, but is there a site comparison or a case study or something I can read that goes into detail because I would appreciate that.

I'd still like to go full square mode with a 6x6 camera.

>>4482568
I for one am glad you found a nice purse camera. Do you have any images to share from it?

>>4482562
Bigger film size means longer lenses for an equivalent 35mm fov, which means shallower DoF and usually generally slower shutter speeds. If you want your 120 film to actually look like medium format you will need to shoot on a tripod or have a lot of light. The bigger the film the more demanding it is of the shooter to actually know what they're doing.

>>4482574
I can imagine myself going full 1950s photojournalist with the off camera sodium bulb flash honestly. I just need a good pinstripe suit and/or suspenders.

been shooting 35mm for a while and wanna try out MF, any rec's for cameras?
>just spend 700 on a...
no anon

>>4482575
Do it. Then you can get a 4x5 press camera and a cigar as your final evolution.

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Hi Frens

>>4482561
Modern MF cameras are approaching the same size as 35mm.

>>4482595
Modern MF cameras have sensors that are basically the same size as 35mm. They’re only about megapixels, nothing else. Not getting sharper images with better shading rendition by enlarging a less corrected, low element count lens less. Not better colors by giving deeper pixel wells more light. Just megapixels, high ISO, pixel peeping, and focus tracking. Not photography. Gear wank.

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>>4482569
You could substitute Rollei 35 but there's nothing like the TC-1 and you pay for it sadly.

I don't know anything about DSLR scanning. I've seen good results. I do know you aren't getting the most out of a 6x6 frame (let alone bigger) by reducing it on a 35mm size sensor without stitching or pixel shift wizardry.

If the 1:1 ratio appeals to you then certainly 6x6 is the way.

>>4482570
Here's one. The G-Rokkor is incredible

>>4482574
Some wise words here too, although you can definitely get good results handheld.

>>4482595
Like what? None of them are really pocketable to my knowledge. I'm talking pants not jacket.

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>>4482599
Obligatory outdated mfdb dog post.
This is from a 33MP dalsa ccd sensor with a 7.2 um pixel pitch, and an 80mm rodenstock xenotar. The sensors on these are pretty close to actual 645 format.

>>4482602
Too bad sensor size cant make you gamma correct better

Upgrade your screen and eyeballs

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>>4482605
Screen is calibrated, but I only learned recently you need to edit in adobe1998 colorspace or whatever I forget to make it look close on 4channel.

Have this one taken with portra and a rolleiflex planar. :D

>>4482607
Holy shit I like the photo, but please blow your negatives with a blower

>>4482599
> same size as 35
70% larger

i want hasselblad

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>>4482610
Thank you. That's where I got the doghair name from lol. I recently spent a lot of money on a mistral 3 drying cabinet(15 minute drying time is incredible), I disassembled my scanner to remove built up dust, and I started using distilled water in my final rinse and photo flo. Dust problems have finally been SOLVED.

Have a cat and some really pleasant skin tones. Same roll as dog pic.

>>4482612
>crop factor… 1.25
Lol not medium format

>>4482610
>anons first time encountering doghair-chan
It’s cute to witness. Wait til you see his egg phase

>>4482625
Still life phase, actually. My recent dried roses wetplate is a banger I will not hear otherwise.

>>4482628
more like mid life crisis amirite
-Dale, ex USMC, dog dad, AR15 operator
—-
~~~RIDE FREE OR DIE HARD===
Ask me about my HASSELBLAD

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Shot with a graflex xlsw and horseman 6x9 back. Extremely fun camera to use.

>>4482644
Jokes on you I don't own a hasselblad, nerd.
I've been a photography enjoyer for years and just found a camera and genre that interests me and provides me with a really good challenge.
Having creative outlets in life is important and mine is primarily making still lifes, taking pics of them, and then making prints. It's fun, relaxing, and after keeping at it for so long I am getting a lot better. FACT.

>>4482619
Then you'll have to tripfag, we will not recognise you otherwise

>>4482568
>>4482601
Why not the Olympus XA, Minox 35, MJU, or even the Tiara? At least they're less of a liability

>>4482556
Enjoy your balsam separation

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i remember there was a medium format thread a while back. iirc there wasn't really much going on because all the posters who shoot mf already post their pics normally
>>4482621
the common definition of medium format is anything between 35mm and large format. do you have a better classification?

>>4482651
Never would I ever.

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>>4482653
I haven't used any of those. The XA looks solid, those others are pretty limited. TC-1 has a spot meter, focus distance readout, aperture control, set ISO, slow sync flash - all super useful to me. I think the reliability thing is people buying trashed (Near Mint+++) copies from our friends in Japan.

>>4482678
The xa is something of a fools gold, imo. The lens can be quite sharp, but the rf is so small and fiddly it’s not exactly a joy to use, the camera itself seems to just e made for small Japanese hands in general, the shutter button is on a feather trigger and you can easily accidentally set it off. It likes to grind up some films with thicker base(multiple copies have done this for me) and a few other quirks. If you can work around them it can be a pretty decent little camera but I don’t pick mine up as much, the size benefit isn’t enough to overcome some of the other niggles when I can just grab my CL or something.

>>4482682
Good to know, once the TC-1 is toast I'm going Rollei 35s. Sonnar tonality and rendition is my cup of tea.

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just copped a c330 last week with 80 and 135mm lenses, been shooting on trix and portra and just dropped off two rolls to be developed
what is everyone using to meter light? im not experienced enough with film to trust myself to calculate sunny 16 yet so ive been using an app on my phone, should i invest in a real meter or can i trust the app? i guess ill know for sure when i get the scans but id like to know what others use

>>4483220
Yeah get a real meter. A spot meter if you can afford it. Phone light meters are kinda doodoo and should be calibrated with a real one. If you shoot b&w you'll be close enough.

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>>4483220
m 6x6 doesn't have a meter so i just use a second camera that has a meter to set exposure.

>>4483225
i compared the app metering to what i was getting for exposure from a digital camera and they were relatively close
i dont have a film camera with a real meter so ill probably pick up a real one like >>4483224 suggested

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>>4483228
huh? you can meter with a digital camera as well.. it doesn't need to be a film camera

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>>4483220
Check eBay you can snipe some deals from time to time. I snagged this little guy (revenilabs meter) for 30 bucks. It’s a bit fiddly at first but it matches my sekonic more or less and is less of a pain to bring around than the sekonic lol

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>>4483229
I meter on iPhone…

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Am I seeing this right? You can just switch what format you're shooting on the fly?
Why the fuck is this not more popular? This seems awesome. Would I be retarded to go through with buying this?

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>>4483318
Because it doesn't use a frame-spacing mechanism, and you need to slowly inch the film forward until you see the numbers in the red window

Picrel is a camera I wish to print when I have time, always wanted a GX617

>>4482602
>>4482599
Modern MF sensors are the same size as a 127 film frame, this film size is considered the smallest of "medium format" and was used mostly on mini TLRs like the Yashica 44

>>4483318
Sinar zoom film back does that, but actually what you're thinking.

>>4483341
>film back
>$500+
Fuck me.
Is there a way to do medium format without spending as much as my main digital kit over again? My 35mm SLR was fuckin $30

>>4483344
120 was basically a professionals only format back when it was actually used. Most of it is kinda or really expensive by nature just like medium format digital.

If you don't mind sacrificing portability I would suggest just going straight to 4x5, honestly. Sometimes you can find full kits for like 300 bucks on ebay.

>>4483344
That one is only expensive because it is an uncommon/rare variant. Regular backs for mamiya press are cheap and plentiful. Just as an example. But it is still pricier than you’d first think though no way around it

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>>4483344
>was fuckin $30
A Seagull 4B-I :^)

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>>4482553 (OP)
from summer
my Rolleiflex 3.5T, good stuff
This Zeiss Tessar is always super sharp in the middle, sharp in the whole frame at f/11 which is anyway widest aperture I use for landscape

>>4483344
you ca find Horseman 6x9 film back for 100 - 150

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>>4483344
If you buy a 6x7 Bronica GS-1, you can also get 6x6 and 645 backs for it. If you buy a 6x6 Bronica SQ-A, you can also get 645 and 135 pano (this one is $$$) for it.

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got a tilt shift adapter for hasselblad to sony e mount so i can do 2-shot panoramics with the medium format lens and splice together in photoshop. ive shot some stuff but havent gotten around to putting them together yet. anyone have experience doing this? am i retarded?

>>4483434
i think it was the photomerge option

>>4483318
I have one of these K backs for my Mamiya Universal, and it is nice to have a back that can do multiple formats, but keep in mind its essentially a 6x9 back that accepts masks for the 6x6 and 6x4.5 formats. So if the masks aren't included you're just left with a 6x9 back without automatic frame spacing.

>>4483434
I used to do it with my 5D2 and 24mm TSE when I used to shoot Canon. Worked pretty nicely.

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>>4483375
based Tessar enjoyer

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Feels good to be an mfer

Medium format looks like 45mp digital with sharpening turned off tbdesu

Very soulless format