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>>4512168 (OP)
>>4512085
What's with the obsession with busting lenses in half and ripping lens flanges off of cameras? Is this some spastic/retard thing? I've been playing around with photography since like 2000 when I got my first camera from my grandpa and I've never dropped a camera once. Cameras are delicate pieces of equipment, not tools. Do you people not use straps?

>>4512172
My gf uses a strap on me
I shoot sony btw.

>>4512173
gross

>>4512172
>Cameras are delicate pieces of equipment, not tools. Do you people not use straps?
Cameras are photography tools, wtf anon... Of course you treat the camera accordingly to its value. I don't own very expensive cameras and ditched the straps very soon after picking up the hobby. If I sailed or used multiple bodies on one shoot then the strap would probably be a smart idea.

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>>4512168 (OP)
Tell me why I shouldn't sell my A7IV with lenses and just buy the GRIV and add later the GRIVx?
Two of the best focal lengths, tiny bodies without any weight, very sharp lens that compensates the smaller sensor, great colors ooc. Whenever I'm doing a day trip like hiking or so that Sony is just enough heavy to make it annoying and a burden.

>>4512180
>why shouldn't I replace my versatile FF camera with interchangeable lenses with two $1500 APS-C point and shoots

Uh, because that would be fucking dumb? Just save up and buy the autistic point and shoot and carry it when you don't want to carry a bigger camera.

>>4512180
>without any weight
AI Overview: The Ricoh GR IV weighs 262 g (9.2 oz).
So you are wrong my dude

>>4512168 (OP)
What is the point of advertising a magnesium or whatever fuck body if the god damn lens mount is structurally plastic?

>>4512180
because the image quality is worse

>>4512168 (OP)
As a snoy user I'm disappointed we shifted from snoy slander to nikkek slander.

>Be me
>Go from Nikek D7000 to Snoy a7iii
>Huge down grade in UI
>Used lenses cost significantly more
>Even flashes cost more for having S instead of N in their product code.
No, seriously, why Sony lenses are so expensive on used market? Even shitty stock shit nobody wants is subject to snoy tax

>>4512212
>go from consumer camera to pro camera
>help menus and pretty pictures disappear
>higher end lenses with way nicer AF motors and better features ie: zeiss t* coatings and click/declick aperture rings are more expensive
Say it aint so. With the exception of fujifilm, panasonic, and om system camera stuff gives you what you pay for. Nikon is government contract gear. Sony is corporate contract gear.

>>4512217
He's right though, sony's UI is objectively more poorly design than nikek or cunon.

>>4512168 (OP)
OP, I've got to say that you are a silly guy. What piece of gear should I post for the thread?

>>4512212
>>Huge down grade in UI
What does Sony do worse in UI compared to Nikon?
Genuinely curious, I've only used Panasonic and trying out Sony I also felt it was a huge downgrade.

>>4512176
A camera is a tool but that doesn't mean you can use it like a hammer. A ruler is also a tool but it'll break if you try using it as a crowbar.

>>4512225
>What does Sony do worse in UI compared to Nikon?
Literally nothing, I found the Sony menus to be a bit better than Nikon. I use both interchangeably and find both perfectly fine. I heard the menus on the A7III are an older and clunky style, so that could be it, as I only have some of the newer Sony's and their menus are basically the same as anyone else's. Canon's menus and UI feel a bit older but they are also more utilitarian cameras overall so I don't mind.

>>4512225
Nikon DSLR features a lot control combinations that I found easy to learn. For example:
>push AF button and rotate a wheels, one wheel adjust AF mode, other AF area.
>Release AF, and camera is back to initial state with AF settings adjusted
>You can follow settings while shooting, release button and push shutter.
>or i-menu
Compare to Sony:
>Push menu and go through retarded menu
>or push func and adjust in a less retarded quick menu, just like i-menu on nikek
And this shit is with almost everything.
>But muh custom menu and custom buttons
You can't customize them to serve multi function, you can't add context to wheels like nikon did in factory
>But do your own menu
I could on Nikon too, but there was no need for it, because it's significantly less retarded.
>Skill issue
Sure, I'm just a scrub, but go ask snoy boys about UI, I tried, they say "customize it bro", not even realizing that they are effectively admitting the shortcoming. Perhaps worst slap in the face in A7III is the fact, that it's a touch screen, but function is very limited. Oh, and wifi retardation gave me cancer.

>>4512217
>go from consumer camera to pro camera
>help menus and pretty pictures disappear
This is literally the opposite. Nikon's button-wheel combinations are visually minimalistic, whereas sony relies menu nesting.
>Prosumer camera should have shittier UI than low-mid range
But why? I don't know about Nikon's milc's, but Nikon's DSLR's share lots of controls between different marketing and age brackets. Didn't Snoy do slightly less retarded menu for later models? Why didn't they release it for earlier models as an update

>>4512234
>Sure, I'm just a scrub, but go ask snoy boys about UI
Look above, I posted about it as a regular Sony and Nikon user. A7III was kind of known for its old style menu, all the models after that got an updated and better menu. Hearing about the A7III menu put me off getting one funnily enough.

>>4512234
Sony has deeply nested menus because EVERYTHING can be customized and there are far more buttons in general. It is an actual high standards professional tool. The kind that has employee training instead of "UX". Going from an older sony to the newest nikon is fucking frustrating with how many stupid decisions nikon permanently makes for the user. Sony is more in line with what experienced photographers want. We don’t need or want simple menus for people who have never used a computer. We want to set our camera up the way we want it, not the way a steve jobs wannabe thinks is right. Sony’s only real firmware fuckup is taking so long to add the ability to save settings, and maybe having one or two conflicting settings. I have heard they exist. I dont hear about them anywhere serious because they don’t seem to affect people who aren’t new to cameras.
>button wheel combos
These are ruined by being limited to a bunch of jpeg only functions (a sign of a consumer camera) and make one handed use kinda shit because nikons button placement is not universal and kinda sucks for big meaty hand chads. Maybe they should let people remap that useless button array?

Nikon has always been a consumer/hobbyist brand, really. Their biggest focus is legitimately birdwatching hobbyists. Like FF olympus. They are so hobbyist, they didnt even bother making the 40mm f2 out of real lens materials.

It is genuinely unfair to compare nikon to Canon and Sony. Canon and Sony make all their money off selling masses of cameras to industry professionals. They make nikon cameras feel like toys. Nikon is focusing hard on pleasing pixel peepers at a competitive price point and their biggest draw being a sony a7iii with cheaper pixel peeping and more modern video options for the price of a fuji xt5 or a6700. In context all the things they suck at are forgivable. They’re a budget brand and all of their hardware is downstream from sony’s older cameras. It’s like comparing VW to BMW and Audi.

>>4512227
> I found the Sony menus to be a bit better than Nikon.
It's not even about menus, Nikon's context dependent wheels allow quick adjustments bypassing menu's completely
> I heard the menus on the A7III are an older and clunky style
That too, what took them so fucking long to realize that it is retarded? Why didn't they release an update once they realized that they were producing shit for years?
>>4512236
>all the models after that got an updated and better menu
You are still missing the point of quick adjustments. Did they add context feature for wheels? Or are you still stuck with choosing one function per wheel? Or is it Nikek's sekrit tech?
>But the menu is now less retarded
And it took them only 3 generations to figure it out?
>>4512238
>>button wheel combos are bad cuz they are limited to a bunch of jpeg only functions (a sign of a consumer camera
Are you retarded or just suffering from terminal stage of snoyboyism? These made to do essential adjustments not related to picture format. jpeg functions are not deemed important enough to warrant quick adjustments. You could've mentioned that DSLR's had more real estate for buttons since they are bigger, but for some retarded reason, you reversed it and tried to claim that DSLR's are worse for big hand chads.
>Sony has deeply nested menus because EVERYTHING can be customized
And yet they still figured out how to do it better in later models. You are making excuses for bad UI. Instead of camera symbol 1 and 2 they could've divided into sections and using descriptive names, this UI design 101, why are you defending this bullshit?
>>4512239
>It's unfair to expect snoy to do propper UI cuz good UI is for noobs
No seriously, why do you keep defending this shit? Even Sony acknowledged it and did better with A1 series.

>>4512242
essential adjustments like… built in crop? white balance? are we living in the same century?

I’m not autistic enough to start rattling off my camera settings. I’ll just leave you to be a typical combative nikek.

Oh and wanna hear how I bought my a7iii. A Pro sold it to me, when I asked to show me how to setup focus assist for MF, he scrolled it for 2 minutes, telling that his A1 has newer menu. Then I asked to show me how to setup wifi connection to a smartphone, it took 10 minutes and he noted that wifi is shit. But hey, at least I managed to haggle.
>muh UI should be shit for pros.

>>4512246
That's what happens with changing any camera maker though, even the same bullshit has to happen when you change cars because everyone has their own menu and you have to get used to it.

why are nikon z lenses so fuckin ugly to look at? Why does my 50 1.2 just have some giant dildo turnwheel in the middle for the focusing and then some pencil dick command wheel all the way in the back that's not even clickable. Actually why the fuck does nikon hate aperture rings?

>>4512246
Pros don’t change their settings much. It’s a waste of time. There’s an initial week of tweaking and adjusting while shooting your cat/dog/fish and then they stay that way. Granular control is better than ease of use for people who haven’t use the menu lately.

A lot of gearfags actually enjoy this part and they routinely buy new cameras just to entertain themselves by setting shit up and taking test shots. I don’t know why they do this, but they do.

>>4512250
>why they do this
perfectionism
the thrill of expecting new packages
arguing about their latest/next purchase and defending their current favorite brand on the internet makes them feel better about their boring photos and gross expenditures
being a tech geek, car guy with cameras
liking cameras != liking photography

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>>4512250
>Pros don’t change their settings much. It’s a waste of time.
Pretty much this. My work camera is setup and done, I've never had to just anything again beyond aperture, ISO and shutter speed. My personal camera is also the same with the custom buttons being assigned to my ideal settings, so I basically set all my cameras up on day one and leave them that way pretty much from then on.

>>4512251
>being a tech geek, car guy with cameras
Gearfags obsess over settings and gear but never over actually taking photos. Liking cameras doesn't equal liking photography, it's just liking the technical aspects.
It would be like saying you enjoy movies but then just obsess over what camera was used and not even care about what the actual movie is.

>>4512251
>being a tech geek, car guy with cameras
sounds more like being a car boomer where you just go on about specs to all your friends but never actually drive the car anywhere but to boomer car shows where you just park it and talk about the specs again.

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>>4512252
>>4512253
Bros… is 4chan a boomer website?

>>4512254
I see a lot of boomer photographers when I'm out, so I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of them are here in gear threads. They always have big camera bag, old fashioned neck strap so it bounces of their beer belly and use either a Leica or a Canon, sometimes even having a t-shirt on that is a logo of the brand they're using or just some meme about photography in general.

>>4512255
fuck bro, i'm only 32 why you gotta do me like this?

>>4512256
32 is fine bro, I'm talking about 50+ guys with beer bellies that look like they couldn't walk more than a few hundred feet before calling it a day.

>>4512252
>picrel
these are always useless to me beyond M and B or movie mode if it's on there.

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>>4512250
>Pros don’t change their settings much. It’s a waste of time.
Sure, and that's EXACTLY why they would benefit from non-retarded UI!
>>4512238
>Sony has deeply nested menus because...
I have a question, do you use Sony? Because the problem isn't "deeply nested" menus, it's unnested menus, which makes you scroll through countless pages seeing six items at the time. Here's another example, SteadyShot:
>Camera item 2, 4/9 page
>>Steady shot
>>> on/off
>>Steady shot Setting
>>>Mode: auto/manual
>>>Set focal length
So what does it mean:
>If you don't know menu by heart, to find it you have to scroll through 18 pages not knowing what's on the next page.
>If you want to add it to custom menu, you have to add two items
>If you set up custom buttons, you have to use 2-3 of them
This is pure UI incompetence from Snoy, there are no pros for it.

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>>4512260
NTA but I use newer Sony and Canon. The latest menu is easy enough and even looking at that photo of the older style looks alright to me, I can't say I spend much time in any of these camera menus since I really don't have to and I don't see why you'd need to either once your done with the initial setup.

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>>4512262
Ironically, that looks like menu on my old nikek DSLR. I guess after three generations of bullshit menus, they finally learned basics of UI. Oh look, they lifted old UI from their DSLR, not realizing how many features they added since then. It might have been adequate for minimal settings of a330.

>>4512168 (OP)
Should I get a new canon EOS 2000d or try and get a nikon z9 used? Would like to take photos of rhe local wildlife whilst out with my dog at the bigger local parks

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>a7r VI
What went wrong?

Since Sony users are fighting right now, I hav e question since I'm considering an A7 variant: With Sony's C modes on the knob can I set up multiple custom shooting modes for the more niche parts of this hobby? For instance C1 could be my landscape mode where it defaults to single focus with a manually selected focus point, auto ISO off and exposure bracketing in large raw, C2 could be bird/airplane mode where it goes to continuous dynamic focus mode at the highest framerate with aggressive auto ISO to keep shutter speeds high and HQ Jpeg, then C3 could be macro mode with focus bracketing? That way I don't have to ever have to dick with focus modes and auto ISO preferences like shutter speed bias in the menu

>>4512260
Thats a lot of seethe because you’re autistic as fuck about a menu that actual photo takers rarely use after day one. You’re such an entitled child. Its not a core function like autofocus.

>>4512279
Yes but
>shooting jpeg
>not having all that shit on buttons and the quick menu

>>4512283
>buttons and quick menu
For one, I'm looking at them and don't know how the custom buttons work hence asking the question about my preferred way to do it (the knob). 2 I am talking about not using the menu at all, I'm out on a hike, saw a bird, turn the knob to C2 and I'm on bird mode, turn the knob to C3 because I saw a tiny mushroom with a bug on it now I can clip onto my tripod and focus bracket a few shots.

I'm not going to get into a raw vs jpeg debate that is pointless, but take note that the only custom mode I specified jpeg on was birds where I don't want to take up extra card space with 25 shots of a bird from a 2.5 second burst where only the best 2 will get kept and all I'm going to care about as far as IQ is good colors and exposure, not pulling up a left biased exposure for preserving every little highlight like my landscape or macro.

>>4512284
Dude, these are professional cameras. What you’re doing for your uh, hiking hobby is covered by manual mode, a one button auto ISO toggle, focus bracketing in the i-menu, and not being autistic. All the options and custom modes are for pros to switch flash shit around on the job. Its possible yes but why bother?
>can afford a $2000 full frame mirrorless
>worried about card space
Jej

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>>4512254
>This is the average 4chan poster in 2026
Bruhs… was I gooning in the same porn threads as a boomer? Wtf im quitting porn and selling all my canon gear for fuji

>>4512296
Yeah, and I can afford a house but I don't leave the faucet on just because I can "afford to waste water" you twerp. Being economical is a mindset.

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>>4512299
>you twerp

>>4512238
>and there are far more buttons in general
Sony definitely has some deep menu options, but I'm not sure it's a given they have more buttons in general for direct control. Seems most modern mirrrorless run like 12-14 custom buttons, I'd be curious which settings you find yourself changing so often, because I only even use like 8 or so.

>>4512284
This works, and is a good idea on paper, but unless you're actually using specific dedicated modes often, it's not a big deal.
I just have one mode for M, one for A, and one for video, and that's it. If I want to change focus points, I just press a button, but I also just use focus modes that work for most situations. Don't have to worry about changing auto ISO, because I care about my images, so I don't use it.
Don't get lost in the customization and forget about the basics. You'll spend enough time setting it up, and then have to tinker again for the specific scene anyways, so why not just learn to change settings quickly and effortlessly?

>>4512299
Being economical is not buying the newest or even second newest iteration of the official camera of the associated press if you can’t afford a measly 500GB card.

I just can't stop winning on the used market and for that reason I am probably kinda locked into the whole gear faggotry thing, but at least I make money from it, but I agree with the sentiment that gear faggotry needs to be reduced.

>>4512303
Where did I say I was buying the newest most expensive camera, retard? An "A7 variant" I didn't want to get bogged down in shit flinging over which specific model but probably an A7R III because I really don't see the utility in anything newer than that.

>durr u poor u can't afford a pocketful of 6 million GB cards to fill with uncompressed raws

You snoid raw evangelists are insufferable. It's all preference anyway, some people just don't like spending hours in lightroom applying tone curves to every single flat image they took after every trip. Meanwhile people who have cameras with decent color science can get prints of jpgs right off the card looking excellent.

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>>4512168 (OP)
my D850 doesn't have this problem lol!

>>4512279
Yeah you should be able to do all that, don't worry about the others saying it's pointless because if that way of doing things works for you then that's what matters. Saves you from having to remember all the settings you need to adjust. One note though, you don't get focus bracketing unless you get one of the newer models. I don't remember when they started implementing it exactly so check before you buy.

>>4512260
Sony cameras are just mini computers, not photographic tools. Because of that philosophy they will always have unintuitive menus.

>>4512311
FUCK well I'm not buying an A7RV so I guess I don't get focus bracketing. I ASSumed that since the A7C II had it, that surely the A7R III would, but nope. Just going to have to keep doing it manually like I have for all of these years ;_;

>>4512279
Yeah that can be done. You can have an additional 3 custom settings too since you can use "memory recall" and I've done that for some where I've customized certain settings I won't use very often, so I get 6 custom settings in total with 3 being on the dial and the additional 3 being in a quick access menu.

>I'm not going to get into a raw vs jpeg debate that is pointless, but take note that the only custom mode I specified jpeg on was birds where I don't want to take up extra card space with 25 shots of a bird from a 2.5 second burst where only the best 2 will get kept and all I'm going to care about as far as IQ is good colors and exposure
You do you I guess. Depending on the camera you get, RAW files might only be about 40mb and a 256gb card will allow about 2600 RAW images and about 10,000+ JPGs (depending on quality choice). I've yet to fill a 256gb card in a single day and you could probably get by with a 128gb card if you're not going over 1200 RAW images in a single session.

>>4512315
I really wish it did, the A7R III is what I have. The A7C II is like 6 years newer, I don't know what took Sony so long though when Nikon had it with the D800 5 years prior and probably even had it in models before that. There is an android app called Alpha Focus Bracketing that will do it, however it's paid (and pretty expensive as phone apps go) and having to use your phone all the time isn't the most convenient.

If you have any other queries, either general Sony stuff or specific to the R III I'm happy to help.