/sci/ — China has been leading science for a while now

>>16959946 (OP)
>nature.com
The journal that says voting for Biden and DEI is scientific?
>>>16959946 (OP)
>aspistrategist
>australian think
>editor David Wroe
>Trump bad guy
Politics isnt science

>>16959946 (OP)
China is just yellow europe.

>>16959967
You're fucking stupid

>>16959971
Cool it with your kool-aid. I didnt join the cult

>>16959946 (OP)
Consider the following three scenes.
There is a lawn mower mechanic. He can set the spark plug gap. Clean the air filter. Sharpen the blades. Change the oil. Tune the carb so the air to fuel fix is correct. He can fix the lawn mower but he doesn't understand how all the components come together to make the engine work.
Next is the lawnmower designer. This guy understands how everything on a lawn mower works. Using that knowledge he is able to build a better more efficient mower. He adds an electric start. He reposition the air cleaner so it is less exposed to dust. He redesigns the engine to be more efficient. He even invents a new lawn mower that hovers off the ground rather than using wheels. ( Not all his inventions are great )
Then there is the guy who questions the need to even have a lawn mower. He comes up with several alternative solutions. He genetically engineers a grass that will only grow so high. Or he invents a tiny solar powered drone that senses when a single grass blade is too high and snips it with a scissor like implement, repeating this all day every day. Or he questions why people have grass lawns in the first place and decides to replace it with wild flowers, shrubs, bushes and small trees, letting it grow naturally, with paths snaking in and around the garden.
These are the three categories of scientists. Most belong in the first category, some in the second, and just a very few in the last category.
The Chinese however have none in the last category. They can fix, they can improve, but they can never think outside the box. They can never conceptualize a new idea or a different approach. They can only work with what they already have ( or stolen ).
Also: 99% of all /sci/ posters belong in the first category, watch them seethe.

>>16959999
>Also: 99% of all /sci/ posters belong in the first category, watch them seethe.
This is fine. I actually get things done when i dont fight the nature of things and only plan around what i can control.

Incredible how China fucked its culture by importing a foreign cancer ideology that won’t ever actually work for the better.

And now they’re going to dominate the world because the west is retarded. Thanks Marx! Thanks Mao!

>>16960091
The future is so soulless it’s unreal

No nation can survive with dei feminism

>>16960088
You can’t keep using this excuse forever. China isn’t obliged to share in its secrets.

In a hundred years the invention of the internet will be attributed to a yet to be Chang

scientific progress stopped already, no one is discovering anything. Kudos on China for getting their tech tree up to date but theres nothing else.

> broken school system
> defunding science and fundamental research
> fed slop news every day
Yeah, I wonder why the US is falling behind so badly...

>>16960258
theres no scientific research in china because there isnt anywhere. Zero discoveries, anywhere

>>16959946 (OP)
Aren't Chinese people mostly copycats who sell fake Rolex watches in the gutter of a white country?

>>16960111
we aren't obligated to take the word of a country that is known for lying for numerous reasons as gospel either

>>16960263
-500 social credit

>>16960274
Can I arb my neg?

highest rate of retractions, 0 willingness to share data, I do not care

>>16960261
Aren't they the world leaders in electric cars, solar panels and fusion?

>>16960091
“We needed socialism to unite our people!”
“Well you certainly didn’t need it before, when you re-unified your people dozens of other times throughout history. I think you would have been perfectly fine under democracy.”
“Shut up gweilo bitch”

>>16960300
AI cars in China are a meme. They keep driving into walls and ditches and they’re more of a joke. Also for some reason physics works differently over there and their cars explode frequently. But no where else. Hm.

>>16960300
they are not the leaders in fusion they have just become a real competitor instead of a country that cannot do the same things as the west

>>16960247
>scientific progress stopped already
At a time when we have just invented AI LLMs and diffusion models...

>>16960247
China might not invent anything new, but it is hellbent on actually building things that the West came up with 80 or 90 years ago and then decided "this is bad for the planet/society". China wants to generate the appearance of a futuristic society and they do that through mega engineering projects, led lights on buildings and flying drone cars etc. etc. etc. They want to generate a spectacle.

>>16960300
>n electric cars, solar panels
Electric cars are not some new scientific discovery, they have existed since the 19th century. Modern versions are better because of lithium batteries and solid state electrronics, all of which were developed in the united states, europe and japan several decades ago, as far as the 1960s for pioneer work with first commercial batteries produced by Sony in the 1990s.
Solar panels have been in research since the 19th century as well, and basically were invented in the west. The record for efficiency is 47%, and was achieved in 2019 the US, in Colorado.
Fusion isnt a commercial technology, so, its basically as irrelevant as whatever mathematicians do these days. Vaporware isnt science.
China is i the same niche as Poland or Mexico, an industrial contractor doing the heavy lifting for western, korean and japanese design companies.
You cant refute this so you have to go with vague insinuations of "china leader" which you cant back.

>>16960414
>At a time when we have just invented AI LLMs
This was not developed in China, BTW. AI has been in research since the 1950s, always in the west, and only got serious thanks to Googles "image search" work. Turned out AI didnt need better ideas, just giant data centers like google (and only google) had at the time.

>>16960468
Name a new discovery from any period of time

>>16960497
Discovery of infrared light

>>16960559
That's just discovery of light and heat, the modern understanding is just better form of that, been done since time immemorial.

>>16959967
>The journal that says voting for Biden and DEI is scientific?
Ironically is this a proof of OP`s claim

>>16959967
The competence of trump has taught me Biden was a genius.

>>16960613
Is that why you castrated yourself? Genius move

>>16960578
>That's just discovery of light and heat, t
Who said it isnt?

>>16960627
I asked for a new discovery and you provided something that wasn't new.

>>16960632
How new is new to you, discovered yesterday?
It was discovered less than 1000 years ago, which is less than a day for god.

>>16960636
I think I was pretty clear, any new discover from any period. So far you have not delivered.

>>16960641
discovery=Infrared light
Period=18th century

>>16960645
see
>>16960578

>>16960697
Infrared light isnt heat and it isnt common light as known at the time, it was something no one had ever seen or perceived at all, which is invisible light. Not the same as heat, which is thermal energy of matter, infrared light is invisible light which is culturally associated with heat as objects at room temperature emit it as blackbody radiation.
No one knew that existed, or that there were any kind of invisible light besides visible light, be it infrared, ultraviolet, radio, etc.
Nothing similar has happened in China, basically in the past 800 years. No original thoughts in science, nothing original or innovative in engineering either. China just has a bunch of factories built with foreign capital.
Electric cars are nothing but the same sad golf carts they have always been. Electric motor, 4 wheels, battery and a circuit board for connections.
Is it innovative just because the battery is heavier and thus it can provide more power?

>>16961492
>Is it innovative just because the battery is heavier and thus it can provide more power?
Yes. You're talking about engineering innovation against scientific innovation here. Batteries aren't new, but producing large ones efficiently and cheaply require innovation.

This is the case with the majority of scientific discoveries: a lot of innovation is done by engineers as they figure out ways to produce something that is physically and economically efficient. The names of said engineers rarely make it to science textbooks, however.

>>16959946 (OP)
True. They saw the replication crisis and turned it up to 11. The west simply can't compete with this level of Chinese faux output.

>>16960697
at one point nobody knew that infrared light existed. Why are chink shills so stupid?

>>16961529
>, but producing large ones efficiently and cheaply require innovation.
A large battery isnt innovation. And in any case, the first modern electric cars, which would be Teslas, were developed in the united states. If large battery on a car frame is innovation, then its american innovation, not chinese innovation.

Every country has their things going on. Anything pioneering gets swept up by government and funded covertly until it deemed safe. For example, Russia have a load of stuff on the human body and and strength, Japan have some stuff with dental and the human anatomy, america are trying to put wombs in trannys.... But yeah, China has an insane work ethic from birth and throws people at big problems. It is not a bad thing, yeah, their military will scoop a lot of it up and keep it quiet but they are also doing good things, like many other countries. I'd say most developed countries are about equal but China has more resources and people to chuck at this stuff.

>>16962718
>uh huh there must be a thing in a place so secret so science

>>16962759
All countries have scientific stuff they don't release to the public. Some of it is a threat to national security or worth billions. You think they make everything public?

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>>16959946 (OP)
One word: Covid.

>you're either such a backwards shithole that people must look to diseased bats as a necessary source of protein
>or you're such fucking retards you can't maintain basic bitch biohazard controls at a critical facility
Pick one and only one. Faggots with the smell of jizz on their breath will try to white knight for chinsects and argue it was the big bad US that made them look so pathetic and fucktarded.

Both authors are Chinese. I don't doubt there is bias in their writings. If China is the top country for technology, then why was their response to Covid so shitty? The other thing is that they don't share any of their findings.

>>16959946 (OP)
Why would anyone care about China, they're the failkids whose parents all still wish their kids were American, not Chinese.

>>16959946 (OP)
>believes chinese propaganda
>record harvests!

>>16962784
>All countries have scientific stuff they don't release to the public
and you know this, how?

>>16959946 (OP)
+2 social credits

>>16960088
I don’t know what a tokamak is
What is a tokamak?

>>16962904
Yet you believe in American propaganda

China is fucking embarrassing. Incredibly fucking embarrassing. Super interesting history, became the gayest place in the world. You don’t need a gorillion dollars and to steal everything to lead the way, look at Japan, they are a billion times better than you. Can’t wait for the democratic revolution in China. That’s when China will start fuckin’ hauling ass.

>>16959946 (OP)
lol
lmao even

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>>16959946 (OP)
Most of Chinka's "research": mostly is bullshit or stolen from others. Chinka does not lead in AI, space, or robotics at all, only in certain aspects of those fields.

I agree that Chinka should be treated as a massive threat, and that the west needs to get it's shit together but you aren't quite as strong as you want us to believe, Chang. One of the best things we can do is ethnically cleanse our resident populations of hangoblin chinese proto-colonists and spies to cut you off from the main source of IP theft.