watching academy after suffering through discovery is such a relief. in a way, academy is anti-ent. where ent was made to appeal to the gooner npc masses, academy is made to appeal to nerds. thankfully it won't save kurtzman from being let go, that hack makes rick bermans work look good in comparison. Whoever gets showrunner after him better soft-retcon the discovery timeline to be part of the temporal cold war. maybe that's why cronenberg agreed to play old daniels.
>>98049534 It's a bit of a shame that the show that killed nutrek is one that's really not that bad. I liked it more than Discovery, Picard and SNW at the very least.
>>98049712 oh jeez. Fading Suns and Cthulhutech mostly, D&D5 for beer&pretzel oneshots. are any of the star trek rpgs worth it?
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Anonymous05/14/26(Thu)18:17:26
Best system for a TOS style monster of the week format?
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Anonymous05/14/26(Thu)21:46:43
>>98049534 >academy is made to appeal to nerds It's made to appeal to the crowd that watches CW dramas. There's nothing nerdy about it.
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Anonymous05/14/26(Thu)23:20:23
>>98049683 I havent been to /tv/ in years so its fine.
>>98049712 I started a solo game a very long time ago and need to find my notes so I can continue it. Set during the lost era though
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Anonymous05/15/26(Fri)02:50:00
>>98049534 >>98049639 I never thought I would see the day where /tv/ has the better takes than /tg/.
Shit, am I going to stumble upon /v/ one day and find just the most astonishingly based take?
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Anonymous05/15/26(Fri)02:53:57
>>98052056 If you've come to think Academy is a good show, you've wasted too much of your life watching nuTrek and destroyed your sense of taste. Go rewatch TNG and DS9 to reset your palate a bit.
>>98052068 Academy and Prodigy Season 1 I like. Academy especially since it finally has self-contained episodes again instead of one storyline stretched over a season like discovery and picard did. Got all the old stuff on DVD and/or bluray too, big trekkie, watched all of it multiple times over the years. That's just how taste goes I guess. probably helps that I have no issues with homosexuality or any ethnicities. not to suggest you do but a lot of the criticism I've seen has been around that.
>>98052056 >>98052091 Love might be a bit much, I just think it was fine and had potential. I at least liked it more than the SNW season that also aired last year and was terrible.
>>98052568 I want each species/power to have their own unique look to starbases, so while the Federation bases have a general look (basically mushroom-like), I want to see, say, Andorian "curvy boxed" stations and Tellarite "rounded and green" stations.
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Anonymous05/15/26(Fri)10:30:45
>>98052518 I'm so assmad that 99% of the stuff they do now is nuTrek garbage. They went to the trouble of creating a whole fucking set of assets for TOS and used it to make a short intro for a timetravel story that almost instantly dumps you into a bunch of Shitscovery content.
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Anonymous05/15/26(Fri)13:29:43
>>98052467 Prodigy is fine, but you're bullshitting yourself about Academy. The fact that it's a poorly written and poorly executed throughline doesn't mean that the show isn't primarily about Caleb, his missing Mom, Holly Hunter, and Paul Giamatti. To a lesser extent it's also about the Betazoid girl and her lame drama. It's definitely not written like STD and Picard where they wanted to be Game of Thrones in space, but instead it's written like a shitty netflix drama instead where they introduce the premise in the first few episodes, waste time for the middle part, and then smash back to the real plot in the last few episodes.
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Anonymous05/15/26(Fri)13:48:27
>>98052663 We get so few starbases in general which is a shame, much less alien ones. Seems like a neglected part of the franchise compared to ships
>>98053049 I dont personally care but it's safe to assume that once the last two seasons of this era airs they'll go back to more general stuff, it makes sense they'll throw in new ships from a new show as it airs.
>>98053509 > The fact that it's a poorly written and poorly executed throughline doesn't mean that the show isn't primarily about Caleb, his missing Mom, Holly Hunter, and Paul Giamatti. this is just how episodic shows do things now, they're still going to have a series through line, it's just some shows do it better than others.
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Anonymous05/15/26(Fri)14:00:28
>>98053570 >this is just how episodic shows do things now That throughline takes up the majority of the screentime, and everything else isn't really self-contained. Not that it's actually a bad thing to put the cast of characters through their own arcs so they can reach the climax and be ready to assume their roles as part of a crew. They just did it poorly and they made the real plot of the show about a single character. So it's not really episodic and it's not self-contained, for the most part.
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Anonymous05/15/26(Fri)14:09:35
>>98053509 I have favorite episodes again, just as you write, it's less serialization and I enjoy that. I don't actually care for any metaplot much, from the trial of Q to the Dominion War to Voyager coming home those were always narrative vessels to me, something to give the characters a reason to keep going, wow those who enjoy high stakes. the juice to me has always been the character studies, the single episode aliens with original philosophies, honorable mention to the space dwelling organisms. I grew up watching most of trek in sindication, so what you call "waste time for the middle part" is the actual juicy bit to me. Series Acclimation Mil is my favorite episode of Academy, watched it three times already, and it's of no consequence for the larger plot, just a comfy and interesting character study of SAM, the two Chancellors, the Doctor and Jett Reno my beloved. The Life Of The Stars is great too, it deals with grief and responsibility in a way I've only seen Trek do on DS9 so far, with little effect on the metaplot. Similar to the way I run my tabletop campaigns, I don't do world ending threats, I string interesting small concepts together and let the player characters decide what's most important to them individually so that we can have a comfy tavern round every month or two just talking about the experiences we made and what we learned.
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Anonymous05/15/26(Fri)17:16:03
>>98053654 >Series Acclimation Mil is my favorite episode of Academy The kind of shit you couldn't waterboard out of most people. Sorry about your shit taste. Hope you can get better.
>>98054524 i feel joy of my own accord, you feel anger based on strangers opinions one of us is winning
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Anonymous05/15/26(Fri)17:52:10
>>98053654 Series Acclimation Mil feel like it has all the elements of a character study of Sam, then 90% of it got tossed out the window so they can jerk off over Sisko.
The ingredients are set up for a climax where Sam tells her "parents" to fuck off and they respond by trying to remotely terminate her, the Doctor has to perform emergency surgery to install some kind of firewall, and he's forced to ask Caleb to assist as the only other person with experience hacking Sam's program.
Instant there's a vague "The Prophets could be jerks to Sisko so I guess I should learn to live with the other holograms being jerks to me."
>>98053570 They didn't just throw in ships though, the actual storyline content is heavily woven through with nuTrek stuff. One of the plots is them importing one of the Shitscovery Klingorcs into the game as a villain for a whole arc of episodes. It's inescapable.
The game was going downhill ever since they nixed the Foundry of course, but the nuTrek tie-ins have fully ruined it. Even when they produce classic content like TOS Movie uniforms they half-ass them and give them random-ass colour palettes that don't match the films or even each other, and half of each era's gear is locked behind premium currency you can only get by opening gambleboxes and locked to character - not even fucking account, specific character. STO is megadead man.
>>98058070 >The game was going downhill ever since they nixed the Foundry of course >that was 7 years ago Jesus Christ where the fuck does the time go
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Anonymous05/17/26(Sun)02:47:39
>>98049458(OP) More like transporter malfunction edition
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Anonymous05/17/26(Sun)02:59:14
>>98054686 remote termination would make the Kasqians assholes unworthy of ever being federation members. if they expect others to consider them an advanced species, killing their people for disagreeing would prove that wrong. I see a different message in that episode, one about free will and purpose, to which I find Sisko to be great example for SAM to follow. He disagreed with the Prophets all the time, and fulfilled his purpose on his own terms. The words of Sisko at the end sum it all up nicely to me >Divine laws are simpler than human ones, which is why it takes a lifetime to be able to understand them. >Only love can understand them. >Only love can interpret these words as they were meant to be interpreted.
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Anonymous05/17/26(Sun)03:22:38
I have been waiting for a trek thread. In any of the rpg systems for trek there any particular premade adventures you guys liked? I'm looking for stuff to try with my group
>>98049534 Discovery is the original timeline for the reboot movies (also written by Kurtzman).
I would argue that only a portion of what happened in these shows happened in the "original" timeline. For example, there may have been a Discovery, but it looks like this, and it certainly didn't have any bullshit spore drive nonsense. Maybe it and the Glenn were transwarp testbeds before Excelsior; the military doesn't usually just build one project and call it a day.
>>98061738 adding a very well thought-out aged daniel (cronenberg) in the final season opens that up nicely. Mistakes were made, but they're not unfixable. Variant Timelines existing in parallel without the need to "close the loop" are solid canon now, which I much appreciate. Kurtzmans contract is running out, no new shows planned. Here's hoping for Terry Matalas and Gaia Viola to team up as showrunners next.
>>98053654 >Series Acclimation Mil is my favorite episode of Academy I liked it but it's a bit overrated, the framing device is just a bit too obnoxious and the show is a bit too in love with Sisko, Sisko is great but the show shouldnt dip into feeling like fanfic, that's SNW's job.
>>98058070 I think a big part of your issues are just the general death of live service games. The Voyager game is a start but we need more single player stuff. Would love a Lower Decks game even if it would sell 10 copies.
>>98063167 Terry Matalas, primary author of Picard Season 2, that Terry Matalas? I know the rest of nuTrek buried the level of most people's standards so deep that if they're ever dug up again they'll have turned into fossil fuels, but a few whizzbang keyjangling nostalgiabait moments in Picard S3 doesn't mean Matalas is actually good, and the thought of his brand of 18% fanservice, 82% brain damage-tier "storytelling" being "the future of Trek" makes me want to override the safeties and beam myself into space.
We need a clean break, a fresh start, a total fucking purge like the French Revolution. Everyone involved in nuTrek gone, forever - I'll settle for sackings over guillotines even though the latter is fully merited. Bring back people who worked on Trek when it was actually good, not hacks who merely made least-bad nuTrek, and allow them to choose their own acolytes and subordinates on the basis of who actually gets the IP. Stop trying to "reinvent" Trek and just make a fucking Star Trek show: diverse(as in, varied and interesting, not just 70% black American humans) crew on a ship dedicated to exploration, discovery, adventure, and peaceful contact with the unknown flying through space meeting cool new space aliens or space anomalies or space viruses or whatever which serve as a plot device to make *broad and general* comments(ie, not Le Orangeman Bad or In Defence Of Just War, by Captain Benjamin "Warcrimes For Breakfast" Sisko) about humanity from the perspective of an optimistic future where the problems we currently have are all solved, sprinkled with occasional pewpew lazors episodes for the attention span-deprived.
It's simple. It's easy. It's so fucking obvious any random internet dipshit can come up with it. And if it doesn't work, if there's really no market for REAL Star Trek anymore as some contend, then STOP FUCKING MAKING STAR TREK instead of parading increasingly retarded garbage around in it's stolen skin.
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Anonymous05/18/26(Mon)13:15:59
>>98068153 Problem is absolutely nobody really knows how to make Star Trek these days. Even the old guard are clueless. Its a franchise that needs to be left dead and buried.
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Anonymous05/18/26(Mon)16:03:43
>>98068153 >>98068269 the future of Star Trek was (and still is) animation. Until any live action nutrek show can manage to aim higher than even the worst season of any animated Trek that wont change.
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Anonymous05/18/26(Mon)16:36:30
>>98068994 I just wish Star Trek tabletop wasn't so dead.
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Anonymous05/18/26(Mon)16:55:59
>>98069114 it's such a dedicated fanbase that people will always be playing (I assume you have to be mindful of nutrek hostile/friendly tables based on where you land in that debate) but it does seem like new content is dead. There will likely be a new book for the 32nd century after academy ends but that's just it and also most people dont care for that era.
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Anonymous05/18/26(Mon)17:03:11
>>98068153 >Terry Matalas, primary author of Picard Season 2, that Terry Matalas? Matalas was co-showrunner beneath Akiva Goldsmith, who has been involved in nearly every aspect of Kurtzmantrek. Matalas apparently pitched the idea of doing time travel stuff with Q, but he didn't get complete control over anything til season 3
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Anonymous05/18/26(Mon)17:15:37
>>98069114 I've noticed a slight uptick in people locally willing to give Adventures or Ascendancy a go. Last campaign I had 2 newbies who got into it pretty easily.
>>98049458(OP) Recently got into Trek (pretty late, I know), currently watching TOS, TNG's definitely planned, also reading the RPG. Where does it get bad? Can obviously watch a bit of each show myself, just curious how much I have to look forwards to. Thanks
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Anonymous05/19/26(Tue)14:04:19
>>98072768 ENT and Discovery are the low points. Picard comes after mostly due to its extreme serialization and anime-tier filler content but it has its charm to some, especially season 3 (I personally didn't like it but there are enjoyers around). SNW and Academy are less serialized thus easier to watch if you're not a binge watcher. Starting with TOS in [current year] is a weird choice, especially if you want to combine it with rpg fun, most tables roll "big three" era. Prodigy season 1 is good too, if juvenile, but that comes with the territory of being a nick toon.
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Anonymous05/19/26(Tue)15:21:38
>>98072768 TNG alone has some pretty severe ups and downs, but I'd still take the worst TNG episodes over the best Discovery, Picard, or Academy episodes.
DS9's initial seasons are not as bad as TNG's, but once it gets good, it stays good pretty much all the way through.
Voyager is love it or hate it. If you're already enjoying the 90s era of trek, you'll probably have a good enough time going through it.
Enterprise is fine. They just weren't able to be as good as previous Trek shows and it didn't get 7 seasons, but it never really hooked people the way even Voyager did. By the time you watch everything up to this point, you'll probably feel like doing a TNG or DS9 rewatch though.
STD, Picard, SNW, and Academy are just not worth your time. Not even out of morbid curiosity. Again, even the worst old Trek is better than the very best these shows have to offer, including Picard S3's pandering fan service. Anyone telling you otherwise is playing a cruel joke on you or is so retarded that you shouldn't humor their opinions.
If you like Voyager, you might like Prodigy because Hologram Janeway is a main character. The 2nd season is somewhat worse and wastes its limited time trying to rehab Wesley Crusher's disastrous character, because Wil Wheaton ran back to suck paramount's dick for pennies, now that his youtube career is dead. Lot of recent Trek media has tried to reintegrate Wesley Crusher after banishing the character from the series through space magic, and that should tell you what kind of people are working on Trek these days.
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Anonymous05/19/26(Tue)15:27:29
>>98072768 TOS has a number of really bad episodes (same with TAS), TNG has a weak start but incredible overall run, DS9 is a bit quirky at points but is probably better than even TNG. VOY is good for memes but I find it rather difficult to go back to nowadays, ENT can be quite rough but it's last season was quite solid overall (the last episode though is quite cringe worthy). STD sucks, just avoid it. LD is spastic but carried the love of the series that earlier shows had. PIC s just generally not good in my opinion and then they went full nostalgia bait to the point it just hurts. Prodigy is actually rather good. Just don't watch Section 31, it is abysmal. Lastly, Academy is weird because there are like two rather good episodes and then the rest of it is just shit. Oh, and extra lastly - Star Trek Scouts is a toddler show that is weird because it shows the creators know a good deal about Trek but it's a show that is just dumb, like needing to save their base from a meatball comet. Good for a few "wtf" laughs but that's all.. I highly suggest getting an episode view list for each series except DS9 and LD, just watch all of them.
>>98072768 I think if you are a new fan then by the time you get to nutrek you'll want to watch everything and so you may as well (though if you hate discovery enough you'll probably skip academy).
Depending on the kind of fan you are the low points will be a combination of Enterprise, Discovery and Picard. Voyager, SNW and Academy are also on the fence bad but you may like them. For every other show its typical ups and downs but mostly good.
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Anonymous05/19/26(Tue)23:38:14
>>98072768 TOS you can watch about a third of the episodes and you've watched them all as the plots do repeat. Starfleet Battles in TOS era is also pretty good. TAS has a so bad its good vibe going for it but can be ignored. TNG starts rough but has the best run and more consistent quality. Had some decent RPG material and even used parts of the FASA RPG as fluff in the show. DS9 has a worse start than TNG but has the best characters that really make you forget how bad some episodes are. VOY was made as an excuse to banish all the retards dragging down DS9 but does have a few decent characters and moments. ENT is good when it is trying to be the whole birth of the federation and the Shran show otherwise suffers from a time travel war plotline that is tedious and drags the show down. There is no other Trek media after that unless you count The Orville.
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Anonymous05/20/26(Wed)01:20:30
>>98076275 >DS9 has a worse start than TNG I think you are forgetting how many stinkers are in the first 2 seasons of TNG.
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Anonymous05/20/26(Wed)12:18:40
>>98076598 Even the bad episodes of TNG are at least not boring.