/vm/ — Dark and Darker

>>2322934 (OP)
The biggest recent change for me was the removal of bunnyhopping. As a long term player I have hated it for the longest time. The reason ranged classes cannot be balanced and kite infinitely is because of retaining momentum in the air for weapon swapping/casting/etc. That is now gone, the survival bow is no longer the best weapon in the game bar none because you literally cannot be hit ever with it out. That was a major positive change.
>However
They also promised that each class would receive new spells and unique shit. That didnt happen. The barb and fighter got new spells, and every weapon got the ability to parry and riposte. This did somewhat balance the best melee weapon in the game by far (The longsword), since other weapons now can hit hard. I can talk for hours about the stupidity of the longsword, so ill just move on.

Speaking of new shit, the Barbarian got Whirlwind and a couple new spells and "everyone" (Youtubers) cried WW was overpowered. It has since been nerfed. I do not believe WW should be able to attack through walls like it could/still can(?) but WW was not overpowered in any sense of the word. They brought its damage from 100% per hit>80% per hit. Why would you choose to use a spell that nerfs your damage by 20% when you could just auto attack for full damage? I dont get it. The barbarian isnt strong because it has WW, its strong because its healthpool has a base of 43%(I believe?) higher than every other class.

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>>2323506
>As a Lifebloom Druid
My class has seen more nerfs than any other throughout the history of Dark and Darker post launch. Every time a streamer dies to bear form or panther form, Human form druid gets nerfed in the following patch notes. With the inability to shapeshift, my class has only 1 skill. Spell memory, the other slot i literally leave empty. I understand longterm wizard players for example have been without new mechanics for probably a lot longer than druid, but I really would just like a second skill in my damn bar so I have two like every other damn class.
Since im on the topic; if you compare the healing capabilities of base druid vs base cleric and lifebloom druid vs advanced healer cleric theres also no reason you should ever go with druid in either case. Lifebloom removes the ability to shapeshift, so by choosing druid you're choosing less base healing and less attribute scaling over a duration of time instead of instantly healing for higher bases with higher scaling. I dont die a lot because i have a million hours into the game, but its because im good, not because my character class is carrying me. It weighs me down quite a bit desu.

>New Volcano map
I dont really like it. The theme isnt my favorite, but also im just not big on it. I think instead of a new map I would massively prefer the 9+ tiles at the new season start to just be made for a current map. Like 6 tiles for ruins and 3 for goblin caves, something like that.

I havent played much this season despite bunnyhopping finally being removed, im just kinda bored. I mostly play in squires solo and its starting to feel pretty repetitive. But if you're new to the game, with the removal of bunnyhopping there genuinely isnt all that much "movement tech" you have to familiarize yourself with before being competitive. Dark and Darker currently is in a very good place.
>Pic unrelated. Outdated longsword and why it was so stupid.

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>MOST IMPORANTLY
And my final post: The game currently has 500 queues for different things. You cant argue with me; the best version of the game ever was when "Squires to riches" (Trios ONLY lobbies) was forced. Im a solo player and i still massively prefer trios only lobbies. With the addition of solos, and easy healing (squire now gives you a campfire, potions, blue potions, etc) and knowledge/experience of how monsters and the game works in general, it has flipped for me from a slow methodical dungeon delving game with pvp to a fast paced call of duty.
The release of panther chicken jump/rat form through doorways absolutely ruined the game for me. Not because i was dying to it, but because when druid was released lifebloom wasnt out yet so it became a requirement of my kit playing druid. I know you can make arguments that it was/is overpowered and contributes to the movement speed meta, etc. but thats not what my biggest problem with it is. It turns the identity of the game from slow paced, to one of sprinting to other players spawnpoints because only I have the ability to do so. I no longer lurk around corners noting down how many players I see in the enemy team to decide if i should fight or run, I sprint at them knowing theres only 1 person to fight and thanks to my experience, im almost always guaranteed to win unless i screw up or am severely outgeared. (Patch dependent)

>I do very much like the game, and anyone thinking about getting it; it has been the only game ive been excited for since the 2013 trailer of The Division 1. And in this instance; D&D lived up past my expectations.

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>>2323518
I think lifebloom druid should get a few more spells specific to that perk. Give them a Rez at least, to differentiate them from cleric make it a spell that grows a seed on the player corpse that has like 10 health but eventually resurrects the player.

As a Wizard main the state of wizard is annoying, its powerful but the spells are bland compared to sorc. I'd rather they get a ton of flavor spells like Knock, Mage Hand, Grease, etc. Maybe make a perk that turns R into another spell wheel so they could run 15 spells in a lobby but I don't even think they have 15 spells.

>>2323524
Ya, they need to turn down the queues, I much preferred the time where only goblin caves was the solo dungeon with a 3x3 module. I think every NPC just needs around 3 - 5 quest and you can read what later quest require so you don't need dnd tracker to keep track of the 100+ items

SDF leaving to work on another project to "prove nexon wrong" i think is a major red flag. Terry was a major part of Electronic Arts monetization back in the day. If you notice; since that community note was made about SDF stepping down leaving it to Terry and Paul(?) the game has already gotten like 10 weapon cosmetics + weapon cosmetic bundles you can only buy with real money. Granted the cosmetic is the same just for multiple different weapons, but its the first weapon skin there is and theres tons of them.
>Also
The bluestone shard "squish" where they gave you double blue stone shards and made them worth half of what they were. Idk if any of you caught that, but the purpose wasnt to make the system more simple, it was to half the amount of bluestone shards you earn in a season and double the amount of time it takes to get them.

I fear that the upcoming season we'll start to see gayer and gayer shit in the cash shop.

>>2324190
To me the most grievous example was the stupid ass fart emote that doesn't fit the theme of the game. I don't care much about the new cosmetics. The new skins remind me of fortnite pay to lose ones, especially the extravagant cloak one that sticks out in the dark. As much as I hate it cosmetics nowadays are what prevent games like this from dying.

I wonder if SDF was gone for awhile now, what with the last few patches actually being high quality.

>>2325269
>last few patches actually being high quality
I dont know if SDF was deserving of all the hate. The reason he was so overwhelmingly despised was the youtuber bandwagon. Now i dont know for sure what specific patches were majorily terry and which were majorily sdf, but like the majority of things the youtuber influencer train hops on, its mostly telephone game from one to the next to collect ad revenue before the topic doesnt get views.

>>2322934 (OP)
Blacked and blackeder. I prefer barony.

>>2325637
They very much do cater to the streamers, I remember when sumit1g was playing a shit ton of fighter. They kept giving that class little buffs when he was playing but he would always die to another fighter, usually the buckler dagger ones. He uninstalled the game after like the dying to one the fifth time in a row lol

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>>2325637
>>2339384
Ah yes found it

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>>2339406
>>2339384
I hate streamers so much. They cry about X, and X gets changed. They're so casual in the games they play, they're only there for ad revenue, and the big ones have so much influence they can ruin the game with just a few complaints. It wouldnt be a big deal if it didnt happen SO frequently.

>>2339941
extraction games are streamer games.

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>>2339970
Once human isnt an extraction game. Asmongold literally did your reply's picrel in my very server i was in. I was in the prismverse clash server asmongold ruined.
The population went from being like 65:35 to like 10:90 in a day, then when he was done doing the sponsored playtime, the next day after like noon or whatever it was; the population cut down to like 50 total players in the entire server total across both factions. Everyone kept dying to the massive horde of Mayflies.

>>2347994
They ruin any game, reminds me when Asmon had multiple raid groups spawn camp Gadgetzan in WoW classic. Then a few weeks later when Dispelling World buffs because the favorite tactic against streamers he along with many others wanted people to be banned for that shit

>>2322934 (OP)
cuck and cucked

>>2365240
get cuckeddd byotch, killed a lot of mad manlets in dark and darker yesterday. there should be some eu dark and darker thread. i want to see them crying

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I HATE DRUIDS
FUCK YOU RATCASTERS

>rogue and ranger getting new perks and abilitys
>100% theyll be OP
>2 of the already meta classes will be even more meta

casters in shambles

I wish I had a static group to roll HR with. Playing with randoms sucks ass

I played back during beta days.
Is the game not at risk of shutting down anymore?
Is cleric good?

>>2384190
They mean shadow step to be a 1v1 ability but honestly it sucks in that area once people understand what you're trying to do. Against bonk wizards it just means the rogue has one less active to worry about.

It's going to be a nightmare for third parties though.

>>2385816
It's fun, game probably won't shut down due to the lawsuit since they were just ordered to pay but they are still fighting that. It could shut down if player count gets low which it seems to always be on the verge of that.

Cleric is good in groups, one of the best 1v1 classes if people W key you but if you fight a Wiz/Sorc solo you are going to die

>>2384190
>Rogue
>Meta
>Good
Rogue has been unironic genuine garbage since they gutted the entire class six seasons back and the sole exception has been gigajuiced literal top tier gear while also being played by players on Adderall, and even then Rogue still dies if it gets so much as looked at

>>2385816
>Is the game not at risk of shutting down anymore?
The entire lawsuit was never going to cause that, that was never an issue. Ironically its closer now to shutting down than ever before. SDF stepped down to work on another game to "prove" himself to everyone after the stolen game allegations.
>What this means
Terry is becoming the lead guy, and a new guy that everyone likes "Paul" is now handling things like balancing. Terry was the pointman behind EA's monetization from way back in the day. Everyone hated on SDF but he's also the reason the game wasnt monetized in a gay way. If SDF is actually completely going to work on a different game then they could slip shit in left and right that kills the game, but this is only speculation as we havent had much time with the new pair yet.
>>2392358
>My build kinda counters rogue
But ive never had any issues with rogue since i stopped playing as rogue in playtest 3(?)

Came back from a year break, my god does wizard seem gutted.

>Magic pen is now based on their MR, ie 50% MR vs 20% pen makes it 40%
>Alright w/e Zorin is now def the worst religion
>True magic/phys gone
>Good change it was cancer
>Rogue now has shadow step, ranger new stuff
>Guess solo wiz is more dead
>Arcane missle nerrfed to half scaling
>Fireball "buffed" but no longer does splash damage on direct hit making it actually a nerf
>worst of all, STILL no wiz flavor spells like knock/grease/fly etc

However druid was gutted too so overall a positive year it seems

>>2403666
the last state of shapeshift mastery that had charges on cooldown was what the community begged for for ages and was actually balanced once they also added the spirit spell restrictions with it, the current state of SSM is so bad that its jot even worth taking

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>>2403666
>druid was gutted too
A lot of classes are massively weaker now than prior. Warlock has seen a lot of negatives, Druid, you're claiming wizard (Wiz is the class i know the least about, casters have never ever given me trouble excluding playtest 3 when wiz was hands down the best class)
I think overall, the only classes to see buffs/major positive change was fighters and barbarians, even after the rogue/ranger ability additions, i still dont have much issue fighting either. The only class i actually fear in a 1vs1 is Barb, and Fighter, but boy do i see a lot of those two.

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>>2406342
I've noticed a lot of barbs/fighters as well. I've yet to be shadow stepped by a rogue and barbs in solo don't seem to be taking iron will because there is like no casters there. I got kick my habit of jump casting though

the game is popping off wake up

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>>2406388
>I got kick my habit of jump casting though
I still do it, but idk if it actually slows you down or if its standardized now

HAS ANYONE SEEN DEMON'S HEIGHT YET? I didnt notice it until my brother pointed it out to me; click on races and click between demon and a standard human like the mummy on bottomright. Demon has a bigger hitbox than every other race. He's much larger.
>What races does everyone think are meta?
Dwarf is S tier for heater shield fighter and most likely barbarian
Some skins are absolute shit and only serve to punish you for picking them, like the fish

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>>2426257
Skeleton mage is just flat out the best wizard skin for non bonk. It's even more rare because it was a religion skin during an unpopular season where farming gold was harder than it is now.

For melee I feel like someone is going to figure out some broken dwarf frontline comps combo, like a ranger and caster can just spam shots over them with out worrying about hitting them. Demon might have some niche use but is probably an overall bad race due to its height and hitbox

>>2426257
Demon race would look fine if it didn't have those ugly wings. The silhouette makes it look like a pile of turd is strapped to the demon's back. They deserve to have a larger hitbox for being so awful
>What races does everyone think are meta?
Minmaxing with skins sucks so I choose race by what would be aesthetically cool or interesting for the class.
>skele champ barbarian
>wizard gets lizard
>crocodile cleric
>orc fighter
>cat ranger (like how it looks and a little bit for the extra agi)
>platelock with scorched mummy (think its glowing eyes look cool coming out of a helm)
>gold skele for rogue
>don't play much sorc/bard so no set race

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Still true to this day

This wipe kinda slaps fr....

Squire Royale with randoms experience
>Wizard fireballs in back of my head
>Cleric heals me at 90% health despite having heal potted then *sits*
>Druid turns in to a rat and runs away once we see the enemy
>Rogue teleports behind a team of three and dies to double halberd
>Barbarian spin TKs both of us
>Ranger steps in his own trap
>Sorc pins us in with earth elemental
>Fighter fights mobs, hits 70% health then second winds instead of potting
>Bard spams din of darkness during a team fight
>Warlock phantomizes into enemy, sorc and wizard cast aoe him to death

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Sneak attack ambush full strength rogue hits over 90 on a dummy headshot with a short sword / rapier
Too bad im a longsword addict in a world of halberds
Anyone here kill the demon overseer yet?
Fuck this gay ass party finder, just let me queue into normal trios you dumb fucking faggot SDF, squire royale is fun but then they remove content by removing bosses from 2nd and 3rd floor, great idea

Sell me on this squire royale thing, what is it? Everybody is limited to white gear? Wasn't there something like this already, what is different this time?

>>2449033
Slaps fr fr bongboss 420 blaze it faggot? Ongod bruh
>>2427482
>>2432065
>Demon might have some niche use but is probably an overall bad race
At first I thought dwarf/imp was cool because of the shorter hitbox, but the -10ms is a big deal, especially solo
I also assumed a bigger hitbox would be inherently bad for obvious reasons, but not only is it harder to get headshotted as a demon, its significantly easier to headshot enemies from above.

>>2475008
Drops are as good as HR, you go down to inferno and can send off loot with the expressman in between levels. Inferno can drop artifacts but there is only 1 team escape portal there

I haven't played HR at all this wipe. SR is the only fun game mode left

>>2479839
Normals would be fun if we didnt have to use the gay party finder feature that way we could play any map whenever we want without having to play solos (in a trio game)
No bosses sucks on s2r

S2R is fun because its constant pvp and the lobbies are full. Also people actually go down levels unlike norms. HR continues to be everyone perma running playing doors and third partying because if people lose their precious pixels in HR they die irl or something. By the way if any anons want to play add me in game: Castriot (eu but idm playing NA east ig)

>>2483484
I'll hit you up

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>>2479839
I built a fucking arena kit this season and I cant play High roller or arena because of the fucking secure boot requirement. I use a logitech mouse and the mouse drivers + software arent allowed on HVCI. Im severely pissed off about that. Im not uninstalling my mouse drivers that have all of my game's present button mapping changes. I have prolly over 20 different profiles for different games.

>>2483484
Pretty much this, HR continues to be shit due to everyone who wears good gear to be doorcamping/running with 50 trolls bloods ready to be used anytime they take any form of damage

Need artifact abilities to appear on gear random starting from blue + with a nerfed effect. I fixed it

Why won't they add solo squire royal? That's all I want because I hate having to build kits just to instantly die.

>>2503513
>solonigger STILL crying he can't play the game all alone

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Really like druid healing, dreamfire spam on a tanky character can keep them alive forever at least in Squire to Royale. Coin toss if a Chinese player will just TK/rob you like they did to this guy

>>2483484
>>2484737
I'm not sure if you're supposed to add account or character names but I dont think accoutn name is working so my in game druid name is SeedAndFeed

I'm a new player and kind of lost on what mode to play? I'm playing PvE pracitcing spectral knight right now cuz i think the bossfights cool but what do ppl recommend to play to learn PvP? Or it doesn't matter, just any pvp mode and grind it out?

>>2518003
spam squire to riches. it probably has the most pvp out of any mode because the lobbies are really full. If you really dont wanna play with randoms or do trios then id say learn solo normal bosses that are contested a lot like troll / spectral knight. they tend to be pvp hotspots but it can be tedious dealing with players running in and out of rooms to bait you under a boss. S2R is the only mode people actively use to play with randoms though

>>2503513
They should remove solos AND duos from all game modes. This game was substantially funner in the playtests pre-release. I cant even 1vs1 people half the time let alone 3vs1 them anymore because the TTK had to skyrocket in order to extend out 1vs1 fights

>>2520676
I think the solution for Arena was the best option.

The solo/duo queue and the Flex (trios) queue.
In dungeons, add an option to go in solo and then get rid of solo only dungeons.
Solo is fucking cancer as a mode and the players who play it are even worse.

solo/duo means either 2+1 or 1+1+1; pretty reasonable compromise. But the game is meant to be 3 player groups, and they should be making bigger static maps for 5 mans, not focusing on balancing and catering to anti-social solo dorks

Arena was a giant mistake, catering to solo faggots was also a mistake

>>2535745
Duos needs to be removed too.
I also hate the free instant matchmaking button. When players were possibly solo, duo or in a full group it would encourage you to sneak and peek before just sprinting from one audio queue of a player to the next

>>2557664
>Add handshaking which incentives you to talk if you want to group up
>Default voip is disable by default for some reason
>Random que gives you pure retards

>>2561128
the handshake works fine tho even without VOIP? its very obvious when someone is trying to group up with you. Europeans dont even talk on vocie anyway. Have had a lot of games where I team up with people without saying a word just emote spam. One game a random rage quit and me and my duo managed to kill 2/3 of a trio and then just emote spammed the healer cleric until he joined us. Its a fun feature.

>>2557664
>Duos needs to be removed too.
Agreed. all teams should always be 3 players by default. if you dont want to run 3, you can choose to not fill and go in less than three, like pve or squire royale, but all modes should be a strict arean style matchmaking with solo/duos and flex (trios) only.

its the best solution. its a team game, you should learn to play with a team. if you really hate other players you can choose to try and rat solo, but there shouldnt be extra matchmaking pools for solos only and duos only. Especially given they have stated server costs prevent them from running a proper practice or social tavern space.

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Will turning the game into goon and gooner save it?