/vp/ — This is the nail in the coffin for the franchise as a whole.

>>59361713 (OP)
I just played this game and had lots of fun :)

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OP here, meant to post this instead

>>59361725
This so HARD

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>>59361713 (OP)
>>59361725
Actually, this was the nail in the coffin for pokeslop. SwShit lost. ScatVomit lost. WinWav will be kusoge on arrival.

>>59361713 (OP)
its been sixteen years, and the franchise is as lucrative as ever.
>>59361725
same as before, but thirteen years

Regardless of what people post, none of these are nails, there is no coffin, and life and Pokemon goes on.

>>59361713 (OP)
>first games not featured in Japan, marked the series' descent into globohomo nonsense when heavily Japanese-influenced regions are what GF does best (Johto, Sinnoh, Kitakami)
>first mainline game that's completely linear, previous games "opened up" after a certain point (Kanto with Celadon, Johto with Ecruteak, Hoenn with Mauville, Sinnoh with Veilstone)
>a regional dex that's just SO good they force you to only use Unova mons, both in the mainline BW and spinoff Mystery Dungeon
Still not as bad as the 3D games, but BW had a bunch of red flags

>>59361743
Sales=/=quality. They changed the design philosophy with XY and started implementing planned obsolecense right into the core design by forcing people to pay for transfers and locking them to a cloud based service they can kill anytime they want. Since XY they've done everything in their power to alienate the hardcore audience and increase anti-consumer business practices as if they hadn't already built their empire on selling the same game twice for every major new release/remake. Just because normalfags eat it up and defend it with their lives doesn't mean it's good. It just means it's popular, just like Taylor Swift and Fortnite. The masses love eating slop and Game Freak figured out that they don't need to try anymore because their spineless audience will buy anything they make without question.

>>59361773
>thing bw started
>um actually xy started this
Get some new material.

>>59361773
>Taylor Swift and Fortnite
Both are literally great thougheverbiet. Stop being a basement dwelling incel chud.

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>>59361773
>and started implementing planned obsolecense right into the core design

>>59361773
>it doesn't count because it's popular
Someone really needs to sit you down and explain despite the numerical deficiency BW suffered compared to RS, DP, XY and SM, it WAS in fact still popular. But unlike Tay-tay, it didn't feel the need to grow with its fanbase the way she inevitably did with hers, due to being a person not a video game concept.

>>59361773
>Sales=/=quality
Seething like a retard that a franchise is dead =/= quality

>>59361773
>locking them to a cloud based service they can kill anytime they want
On paper yes, but the service never stopped working or deleted mons.
Plus anyone who tried to transfer mons from gen 3 to 4, or from gen 4 to 5 knows that the Pokemon Bank and Pokemon Home are unironically way more convenient, faster and quicker to use because it didn't have time limits or mini games to slow down your transfers. It was also not limited to certain editions of DS either.

>>59361779
>>59361822
Firstly, 3 bullets, Kojo. Never forget that this board hates you and wants you dead.
Secondly, Dream World's features don't impact connectivity with other games. I can still transfer pokemon from Gen 4 to Gen 5 for free to this day, and 50 years down the line too. I'm not gonna deny that it's unfortunate that it doesn't exist anymore and there's no fanmade equivalent like PokeClassic network for battles and trades online, but the Dream World's features don't make a significant impact on the game, unlike Bank. Once Bank goes down, you won't be able to legitimately obtain certain pokemon in Gen 6, you can't transfer from Gen 5 to 6, or from 6 to 7, and you can't transfer from 6 or 7 to 8 or 9. The 3DS is the breaking point for one of the series' most longtime-player friendly features that rewards players for keeping up with the series. Bank was also a paid service that ran concurrently with another paid service that does the same thing but for switch (If you paid for every year of Bank before it went free, it was $45 which is more than the retail price of the actual games) where Dream World was completely free with your PGL sign up. The impact of Dream World's shutdown is significantly smaller than Bank's inevitable shutdown.
Go finish your dogshit autism spectrum fangame you flaming fag.

>>59361923
>Firstly (eceleb obsessing)
Based!

>>59361923
>Secondly, Dream World's features don't impact connectivity with other games
Neither do any of XY's features. What's your point?

>>59361901
I have a complete main series collection and every model of DS. If you're a dumb newgen or secondary who wasn't upgrading consoles and picking up new releases as they came out then you shouldn't even be concerned with transfers. The whole point of transfers is to reward returning players by allowing them to use their old pokemon in their new game as long as you weren't the type of retard to trade in all your shit to GameStop the moment something new dropped. This isn't a problem for people who were taught how to save money as a kid. Actual minigames that give character to the transfer process being turned into menus is utterly soulless. It doesn't matter how "convenient" bank is, because ultimately it has an expiration date that even TPCi has acknowledged when they told people to move up pokemon at their earliest convenience when the service went free with the closure of the eShop. Bottom line is that when Bank dies, I'll still be able to get pokemon from Ruby and Sapphire into Black 2 and White 2 in minutes. Time limit is only in DPP too, HGSS has no time limit.

>>59361963
>Bank shutting down doesn't impact connectivity with other games
Fucking hang yourself, Kojo.

>>59361990
Pokemon XY isn't Pokemon Bank, retard-kun.

>>59361923
>Secondly, Dream World's features don't impact connectivity with other games
yeah instead it just impacts the game's own content because they were too lazy to implement it lmfao

>>59361929
Not eceleb obsessing if I'm literally replying to you. Your posting style is so recognizable and the fact you think you can still hide behind anonymity on here is laughable when you post all the same bullshit on all your platforms and write the exact same way. We all know exactly who you are, and your attempts to try and act like you're someone else are pathetic. Rope, NOW

>>59361990
But Bank isn't shut down. What's your point?

>>59361994
And Dream World isn't Pokemon Black and White.

>>59362011
Yes it is. It's directly referenced in the game and you explicitly need it to use features in the game.

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>>59362006
Bank isn't shut down *yet* you fucking retard. It's a cloud based online service stuck on a piece of Nintendo hardware 2 generations behind where we are currently. Every other online feature for the system is defunct, and official Xitter accounts are saying to transfer at your earliest convenience, basically inferring that they're gonna shut it down eventually. Read the writing on the wall.

>>59362026
>Bank isn't shut down *yet*
So you're screeching about nothing and Gen 5 was actually the first gen with planned obsolecense right into the core design. Good to know.

>>59362016
No it isn't. It's a separate service with its own features that aren't at all necessary for connecting BW to other games. The only thing you can do in Dream World that isn't in the actual game is growing berries. The only berries that are completely unobtainable without Dream World are functionally useless in Gen 5 since they're either for making poffins or pokeblocks, the Cornn, Magost, Rabuta, Nomel, Spelon, Pamtre, Watmel, Durin, and Belue berries, or they have no practical use in game like Jaboca, Custap, Micle, and Enigma berries. Every other berry is obtainable in a repeatable capacity through normal gameplay.
Eat shit, Kojo.

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>>59362060
>No it isn't

>>59362027
Everything from Gen 5 still functions as intended to this day with the only things missing being Hidden Ability mons and 14 berries with no practical use in game. Gen 6 is about to sever the link from the GBA to today's games. Gen 6 introduced planned obsolecense no matter how much you try and push your retarded narrative Kojo. Go finish pokemon autism spectrum and get off our board.

don't worry OP i got the joke that gen 5 has a coffin pokemon

>>59362070
>Everything from Gen 5 still functions as intended to this day
So how do I berry farm?

>>59362002
I'm on your side bro. I think it's awesome how every time you get upset over pokemon arguments you bring up some youtuber.

>>59362070
>Everything from Gen 5 still functions as intended to this day
Same with Gen 6. What's your point?

>>59362060
>berries that are completely unobtainable
Why can't you just accept that lots of people liked using and growing their own berries?

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>>59362069
What is this even supposed to mean Kojo, you aren't making coherent sense here. One tie-in character means that Dream World=BW?? By your own logic that means SM=Dream Radar, right? Or that the Manaphy egg actually means Ranger=DP?? I knew you were fucking retarded Kojo, but this is a new low even for you.

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>>59362121
>i-it's not part of the game
>th-that entire character who exists for that part of the game? th-th-that doesn't count wh-what does that mean boogieman-sama

>>59362118
Still entirely possible in BW, just not for 14 berries that are literally useless in the context of BW because their main tie-in features not being in the game, or just having bad in-battle effects. Everything else like the EV resetting berries, the ones that reduce SE damage, the ones that heal status/HP, and the ones that heal 1/3rd based on the mon's nature are all obtainable repeatably just like you could if you were farming them, now without having to babysit the plant to maximize your ROI.

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>>59362152
>Still entirely possible in BW, just not for 14 berries it's not entirely possible for

>>59362152
>or just having bad in-battle effects
Why is that relevant? There are tons of things in the games with bad battle effects that even you probably like.

>>59362131
>entire character
>seen one time in the game and never appears again
>doesn't even appear when using the feature they're meant to represent
>still pretending you're someone else
>doesn't address the argument in the post
Looks like you're cornered, Kojo. The fact I have to share my air with you disgusts me.

>>59362174
>>seen one time in the game
Thanks for admitting that it's part of the game.

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>>59362174
>>doesn't even appear when using the feature they're meant to represent
Why lie, sagie?

>>59362164
It's relevant because they serve no practical purpose. This is like like bitching about Def Leppard not having a second drummer, what would these useless items add to the game?

>>59362181
Give him a break, it's not his fault that he never actually played the feature that Game Freak planned to be obsolete.

>>59362155
Whatever will you do without the extra P500 from selling that spelon berry. Unplayable!

>>59361713 (OP)
>>59361725
Both of these are fun

>>59362195
Glad we agree it's not entirely possible and gen 5 is incomplete from planned obsolecense.

>>59362181
>>59362191
>Kojo already started samefagging
Grim

>>59362221
>Sagefag already ran out of arguments
Grim

>>59362181
Again, by your logic Dream Radar is part of SM.
>sagie
Lmao, classic Kojo.
>>59362191
Samefagging doesn't make you right either and is just another sign of your desperation. I accept your concession.

>>59362186
What is a practical purpose to you if something like a lansat berry has none? I'm not saying it's great but it's a fun item to use sometimes.

>>59362078
Never was in the game itself, that was a separate service.

>>59362234
>Again, by your logic Dream Radar is part of SM
No, because the dream radar isn't referenced directly anywhere in the game. Try again, sagefag.

>I-I SAID YOU CONCEDED SO THAT MEANS I WON!!!
This is pathetic, sagefag.

>>59362242
But I used to be able to berry farm using Game Sync. Why can't I do that anymore? Did they plan it to be obsolete or something?

>>59362239
Lansat Berry is actually completely obtainable in Gen 5, but a practical purpose is an effect that actually makes a significant difference to the gameplay. The majority of the dream world exclusive berries exist only to be sold to the Gourmet Maniac. The Jaboca, Rowap, Custap, Micle, and Enigma berries all have unreliable effects that just aren't as useful as other berries you can actually obtain in-game like the pinch berries or EV reset berries. Their purpose is so niche that at best they're a neat gimmick and at worst they're completely useless. You won't be seeing any of these online because their effects have so little impact on the battle that it's a waste of an item slot.

>>59362244
>dream radar never referenced in SM
>e-except that part, that doesn't count!
Not a fan when your own brown retard logic is used against you, huh Kojo? Let me remind you, 3 bullets.

>>59362263
Weird, because that couldn't have happened. You actually had to log on to a different service on a different device to access berry farming, it was never actually in the DS game. Leave it to a brownoid like Kojo to argue dishonestly

>>59362266
>>e-except that part,
There is no "except that part". It's never referenced period.