/vr/ — Why does /vr/ hate Sonic 2 now?

>>12625116 (OP)
7.8/10 not enough barrels

>>12625116 (OP)
sonic 2 is great, but i'm tired of people pretending its better than 3&k

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>>12625116 (OP)
because it's another product shat on by the american side, they had to cancel so many levels because they had shit art on them, or it could've been as big as Sonic CD. there are many stories online about how the japanese side had to touch up all the graphics the americans did.

look up the Tom Payne archives for one, he did the buzz bomber and comments on how it had to be fixed to look good by the japanese artists). now imagine that for the entire game.

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>Argue with my false assertion!

>>12625152
I mean, the final game is still good. Who cares about the development drama?

>>12625154

Nobody hates Sonic 2.
You can't hate a great game unless you are a bad gamer.

>>12625132
but it is

>>12625250
>story is worse
>less levels
>music is worse
>3 has better final boss

>>12625268
>story in a 2D sonic game
retard
>less levels
quality over quantity
>music
it's a wash, different styles
>final boss
2's is more challenging

>>12625116 (OP)
I hated sonic2 30 minutes into the rental cart. Once i realised the game was devoid of any fun. Most disappointing sequel of the 90s. Sonic3 was great. Its just 2 that dropped the ball completely.

>>12625165
>You can't hate a great game
This is how modern marketing works. Once you declare something is "great". Shout it from the rooftops loud enough, for long enough. You insulate your product against poor sales. And that is why the gaming industry is what it is now. Brainlet marketing victims lapping up all the goyslop and asking for more. Without retards the gaming industry would collapse.

>>12625152
Meds. Take them.

>>12625152
>or it could've been as big as Sonic CD

The final game is bigger than Sonic CD though?

>>12625116 (OP)
i'm not interested in sega of america vs japan shitposting in 2026, but two dogshit water levels immediately after the first level really doesn't help it.
the end stretch of the game isn't very fun to me either imo. sky chase and metropolis are fucking slogs. i like the final boss though.

>>12625454
look at this shit and tell me it was "good" work:
https://tcrf.net/Development:Sonic_the_Hedgehog_2_(Genesis)#Tom_Payne_Archives
that's the kind of shit the US side contributed to the game. all of it either got axed, or was heavily retouched (the buzz bomber). Metropolis Zone was the only one that made it to the final game as is, and that's widely considered the worst level in the game.

>>12625461
half the levels in sonic 2 were supposed to be past/future versions like Hill Top or Aquatic Ruin. if you consider all time travel variants of sonic cd to be separate levels the same way, then sonic cd is 3x the size of sonic 2.

>>12625740
>if you consider all time travel variants of sonic cd to be separate levels the same way, then sonic cd is 3x the size of sonic 2.

I don’t though, because I’m not retarded.

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>>12625116 (OP)
i don't hate it, but it's the ugliest of the classics and my least favorite.
it ranges from too easy to a few bullshit enemy placements so it's a bit all over the place. still better than the vast majority of the gen in comparison and a very good game thougstever.
"haters" might be doing a bit of contrarian trollan'

>>12625132
It absolutely is. 3 is basically a movie game compared to 2.

>>12625454
I accept your concession

>>12626626
sonic 3 fan here, this is what mania's new acts feel like to me

>>12625480
chemical plant zone isn't a water level anon... you're not supposed to be spending much time in the water

>>12625273
>not caring about the story
this is how I know you aren't an actual sonic fan
https://youtu.be/NwxB2iDpA6w?si=yCVyzEwrYsPIjtzJ

>>12625116 (OP)
It's the ugliest of the classic Sonic games. Amerisharts couldn't draw for shit and the few japanese guys who worked with them got so fed up they literally had to make a completely separate card key only room for the superior japanese devs to start working on Sonic 3 & Knuckles

I never owned a sega growing up, but I like all the sonic games. I suck at 3 for some reason. I like sonicCD the best.

its by no means bad, it just feels more like a directionless cobbling of levels than any of the other genesis games, excluding chaotix

>>12626976
Sonic fans ≠ Sonic fags

>>12626976
Yeah I wouldnt self-describe as one. Same way I wouldn't want to label myself a walking cancer on the earth

>>12625116 (OP)
I know it’s a great game but my first association with it will always be the shitty Simon Wai prototype I had as a kid. Didn’t know about bootlegs or pirated games back then so I was just confused by it being so ass compared to the first one

>>12626626
>>12626638
>is that....IS THAT A 5 SECOND CUTSCENE?????????? AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HELPE ME IWATANI H-H-HOW COULD YOU DO THIS WHY IS THERE STORYTELLING IN A VIDEO GAME I CAN'T DO THISSSSSSSSSSSS

>>12625116 (OP)
I don't hate it but to me it feels rushed after Aquatic Ruin and especially after Metropolis act 2. It's like all they thought of was just having more in it than the first one but didn't consider the pacing. It's still a 7/10 game however, which just shows how good those first 4 games & Knuckles were.

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You're all just jealous because based Mike Cerny created Sonic 2 and mogged Naka, Suzuki and Miyamoto all in one go.
Japan never recovered since

Sonic 2 (game gear) is the only sonic game I’ve ever played or even seen played.
I remember almost nothing about it 30+ later. I’ve never met a sonic fan that wasn’t insufferable so I’ve avoided the games.

>>12627943
The Game Gear games are different from the mainline games. Different devs, etc

>>12627947
Which one looks and sounds the coolest? 2 on Genesis? I’ve always avoided sega games, meaning I still have many “greats” I’ve never experienced.

>>12627931
he looks like american knuckles

>>12625132
based

>>12625273
3 stages are way more quality than quantity when it comes to sonic 2 lets be for real. the backgrounds have so many layers, the music is perfection and has two themes per zone, almost every level has more gimmicks than sonic 2, and even knuckles has his own paths for most levels (has his own ending too)
3&K mogs 2

>>12628038
3&K's levels are long tedious shite. it's like they looked at metropolis zone and said "yeah, more of that"

>>12628203
The levels are good unlike Metropolis though.

>>12625116 (OP)

I enjoyed it.

I grew up with the mega drive and has Sonic 1, 2 and Sonic and Knuckles.

Only played Sonic 3 till many years later as an early adult, an emulated version on the PS2.

Sonic 2 had it's own style, a more colourful upbeat aesthetic and music compared to Sonic 1... Not better than, just a change of tone and it's own thing.

2D Sonic was best Sonic.

>>12628203

Bro the flying battery zone was the bomb.

>>12628208
they could have released new Mega Drive roms on modern platforms for cheap and it would have sold like hot cakes. instead they tried to reinvent the wheel...