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Devs are retarded. I don't care what they intended. I know better.

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>>12626940
>autistic screeching

>>12626930 (OP)
When you use save states you create a new game. It's a romhack at that point. Romhacks are fine for practicing but you didnt beat the game. You only beat the romhack you made.

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>>12626940
/thread
Good games let you save anywhere

>>12626951
>it you played the original you didn't beat my game

>>12626962
>the original had save states

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>play Tomb Raider on PS1
>use save states
>you didn't beat the game
Ok, true.
>play Tomb Raider on PC
>save anywhere
>you beat the game
Make it make sense.

>>12627010
>Make it make sense.

The same game can have different rulesets. Have you ever played Uno? There are like 12 different rules sets, but if you're starting a game with ruleset#3 and then decide mid-way then actually now it's going to be ruleset#7 because it suits you, then you're a cheating faggot.

In the case of Tomb Raider the saving rule applies because computers were for responsible adults and also used for work so you should be able to come in and out at any time.

You should also be able to save and quit quickly if your boss enters your office.

>>12627036
So emulators are for responsible adults and it's fine to save state?

Good thing I just play games and gave fun instead of worrying about appeasing some faggots made up gay rules. I didn't ask for your approval and I don't need it. Eat shit OP, you and every other faggot ITT.

I used savestates AND I beat the game, and none of your autistic sperging will change my mind, or stop me from saying I beat it. I know that upsets you, and that makes me very happy.

>>12626930 (OP)
wasting your limited life time on parts you didn't enjoy doesn't give you bragging rights.
every game should have save states, even better, rewinding.
forcing to waste time redoing stuff is micromurder.

>>12626930 (OP)
>BUT DO NOT LIE TO YOURSELF
They can lie to themselves but they should not lie to me.
... actually I treat everyone here like they're lowly savescummers no matter what they say.

>>12627063
>>12627064
>I mash text in VN's
>I'm a slave to my backlog but I'm having fun! Really! Aren't you mad at me!?!?

>>12627080
Real rich coming from a self-hating crypto savescummer

>>12627082
Nice projection

>>12626930 (OP)
I just use save states to bypass using passwords

I think saving between levels is fair

>>12627142
Only if you go back and beat the game without save states

>>12627143
I've already beaten the first two levels over and over again. I think we can all handwave that shit

If you used save states, guides or rewind, you didn't beat the game.
Not only you cheated the game, but also yourself.
You brag about your "achievements" to others, yet deep down you know that it was all fake.
You didn't experience anything, the challenge, the frustration, the overcoming, improving your skills. You just took a glimpse of what the game has to offer, the same level as "beating a game watching someone else beat it on YouTube".
Even a crown made with fake gold, still shines from far away.
You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
You didn't learn.
You didn't improve.
You took a shortcut and gained nothing.
You experienced a hollow victory.
Nothing was risked and nothing was gained.
It's sad that you don't know the difference.

>>12626961
Trivially easy games let you save anywhere. Good games usually are not trivially easy.

>>12627063
You're stupidly missing OP's point, and you are certainly worried about following OP's rules on some level, because OP is attempting (successfully for the most part, I think) to describe objective reality, and if you let go of THAT for the sake of your short-term enjoyment and your stupid pride, then you will end up an unhappy self-involved hermit, or a crazyman ranting on a street corner, or the like.

>>12627068
>bragging rights.
OP didn't say anything about bragging or about beating the game being better than cheating through it. You should read the text before responding to it.

>>12627143
This is obviously still cheating, albeit of a lesser order. Dudes here are just abysmally stupid about this issue. It's generally fine to cheat, and it's INSANE to claim that cheating isn't cheating and actually believe it. This should be obvious to everyone.

>>12627064
Ydbtg

>>12626930 (OP)
>Words words words
Just to tell us you didnt beat the game

>>12627156
this
>>12627171
it's not cheating to practice. it's two separate games. when you use save states you are creating a custom rom hack. you cheated at the rom hack, but it made you better at the real game
>>12627193
based retard. op agrees with you

>>12627208
You didnt beat the game OP you'll never prove us wrong

>>12627156
Stale pasta

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>>12627165
Lol k

>>12627082
What's a backlog? I also don't understand the rest of your post so you're a fag too. And gay. Nigger.

You don't 'beat' games, you 'play' them.

Its no different than using a bookmark when reading a book, if you think about it

>>12626930 (OP)
YOU DIDN'T BEAT THE GAME IF YOU PLAY ON EMULATORS

>>12627383
Real men just remember the page number they left off at

>>12627383
>every game I play is a read em up

>>12626947
Surely meant to point that to the OP...

>>12627010

When I played through TR1 on PC I saved into a new slot at the start of every level, until I ran out of slots then I rolled over the oldest ones. It didn't save automatically from what I recall. I beat the game that way. I am better than you.

>>12626930 (OP)
did not read that shit but i've been having more fun with games since i disabled savestates and fastforward and all of that other shit
like for example i beat FF3 recently, the last stretch is basically 2 dungeons and 6 bosses in a row and takes more than an hour, with no save points or heals. i died to the final boss twice. it was frustrating, i wasted a lot of time, but holy shit was it a memorable experience, beating it felt GOOD
if i used fastforward and savestates it would've been just another dungeon and i probably wouldnt remember shit about it

>>12627453
based pigger

>>12626930 (OP)
agreed.

anyone can experience a game however they want, like put in gameshark codes if that makes you have fun, good.

but for you to claim that you "beat" the game you need to do it like it was intended to,
beating a hard game is a very satisfying closure to your struggle.

also note that putting some effort into it makes you a better player
like it trains your focus and reflexes and abilities,
and then you can beat other hard games from the experience gather.

if you only play with cheats and your gameplay is super low effort
>whatever I'm just doing whatever I feel without worrying or learning because I can rewind LOL
you are robbing yourself from the opportunity to get good

>>12627162
Difficulty is irrelevant wether a game is good or not

>>12626930 (OP)
>YOU DIDN'T BEAT THE GAME
in your opinion.
and in my opinion, if I got to the end, I beat the game.
we don't have to agree because my experience does not affect you.

>>12627735
>cheating himself out of a single player experience

>>12627383
Thats more like activating a save state when you're done playing to simulate leaving the console over night.
Save-scumming is more like reading a book that is difficult to understand, but instead of re-reading a couple passages, you look up an explanation on YouTube.

>>12627767
I had a single player experience, anon, in fact it was exactly the experience I wanted. I didnt lose out on anything at all.

>>12627502
>>but for you to claim that you "beat" the game you need to do it like it was intended to,
No, and gameshark codes change the essence of the game, savestates just let you interrupt it at will. You're essentially working around a hardware limitation that many other games don't have.

>muh hardware limitations
/vr/ has fallen...

>>12627810
Good for you. You sound really convinced

>>12626930 (OP)
I fast-forward and use anti-grinding mods in my JRPGs.

>>12627827
What a strange reply. I think you might be projecting something, anon.

>>12626930 (OP)
You played through the game instead of beating it, but that's a perfectly fine thing to do nowadays. People are busy so I can understand playing through multiple games but only getting good at the ones you really enjoy and beating those. Either way it's 1s and 0s being housed on digital and physical shelves solely meant for entertainment so it doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things.

>>12627820
you need to go see a psychiatrist ASAP
because you are delusional

>>12627824
Your argument is dead.

>>12627453
Real. I had this same experience with FF IV

>>12627838
You have ADHD

>>12627891
>played through the game instead of beating it
six instead of a half-dozen

>>12628029
trans instead of woman