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>>12630764 (OP)
OoT fucked up first by deciding at the last minute "Nah, we're not gonna make this a prequel to ALttP after all", and then it all spiraled out of control from there.

ww is the timeline where link was killed by ganon in oot, tp is the timeline where link killed ganon. not like any of this matters because every zelda game should be taken on its own and lorefaggotry is aids.

>>12630772
how so? I figured it's still a prequel

>>12630787
no it's not. The game starts by telling you that ganon was defeated and sealed away, but then he breaks out and no hero emerges so the gods flooded the world.

>>12630797
Ganondorf is still human in OoT's ending and only has one piece of the Triforce, not like in ALttP where he's stated as having all three and is permanently the pig demon Ganon (which the OoT version looks nothing like).

>>12630764 (OP)
>This is where the timeline retcon madness begins.
what do we do about it now it has been 20 years.

>>12630806
he only had one in lttp

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>>12630764 (OP)
What's with the bad crop?
Anyway Wind Waker fucked everything up because nobody even considered timeline "branches", until Wind Waker came along and said "I don't care about ANYTHING made before OoT, I WANT MUH WATER

>>12630864
wind waker starts by telling you Ganon was defeated, then escaped.

This works as a direct sequel following a single mutable timeline. No split necessary in a world before twilight princess exists.

>>12630865
>No split necessary
Hyrule literally doesn't exist anymore.

>>12630867
yes it does. it's just under water. there's nothing in the game that suggests that this can't follow the events of minish cap. it's just retconned by twilight princess.

>>12630876
I meant majora

>>12630876
Those other games all take place in Hyrule and they're not under the water.

>>12630764 (OP)
>lore and continuity
>in zelda games

Cope

>>12630887
yeah, before it was flooded. derp

>>12630905
No, they can't happen since Wind Waker establishes the Hero of Time left and then Ganon came back and Hyrule got flooded. No other game happens between then.

>>12630908
What can't happen? The downfall timeline? Hyrule is on a cycle of infinite reincarnation. There's nothing stopping wind waker from taking place after all of them. There's nothing stopping link from coming back like he does in every game, other than that they wrote that he just doesn't this time.

>>12630957
>citing all the ridiculous levels of retcons and hoop jumping to make this timeline not be the massive fuckup Wind Waker did to it
You're only emphasizing how bad it is.

>>12630764 (OP)
>>12630865
Ganon was defeated in the end of OoT, then Link goes back to before he gets the Triforce of power and none of that even happens. Saria and the rest of them don't become sages, you see stained glass windows of them in Wind Waker, it was obviously set in the timeline Link left behind, and Majora's Mask continued after he returned to his own time.

>>12630965
it was twilight princes that did that.
the only thing wind waker established, is that it takes place an unknown amount of time in the future after ocarina. That's it. There could be 500 games between the two.

>>12630978
They're sages both timelines, so that doesn't even make sense.

>>12632171
Weird how the game establishes Ganon only comes back the one time despite your attempts to say otherwise.

>>12630764 (OP)
The whole timeline thing is ultra-retarded because the games are "The Legend of Zelda," not "The Historical Record of Zelda." There's not a canonical timeline of the Legends of King Arthur or Robin Hood precisely because they are legends, stories told and retold and embellished and changed after the fact. The autistic impulse to systematize and categorize everything takes all of the magic and mystery out of the games. Ganon showing up as the final boss in every game is cool if it's a legend, because it's like every game is a retelling of an original story that's been lost to the myths of time. Ganon showing up every time because of some convoluted timeline where he keeps actually coming back makes the whole thing seem like a cheap comic book.

>>12632189
he comes back in literally all 3 timelines you fucking dingle berry

>Lttp, ocarina, twilight princess
Escapes imprisonment from another realm
>Oracle, link between worlds
Revived
>original
unspecified. He just "returns"
>four swirds, ocarina
reborn
>pre-botw, and again during botw
his hatred manifests
>tears
breaks free from prison beneath castle

And of course, a new link appears to deal with most of these. Except in Wind waker, because... Just because. Until one does, but after the world is flooded.

>>12632224
Yeah, except in Wind Waker which says no Ganon return or Link since Ocarina of Time

>>12632238
It just says ganon returned but link didn't. No child timeline, no adult timeline. Works in either one.

>>12630764 (OP)
I don’t care what anyone says, the best way to handle all this bullshit is just to treat every mainline zelda game like a retelling of a single basic legend that changes over time as it is told and retold
obvious sequels are then extra parts of that story. or fan fiction. whatever you like

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>>12632573
>It just says ganon returned but link didn't.
It says the Hero of Time

>>12632603
K? That still works for any timeline following ocarina, because ganon escapes in all of them.

>>12632638
Except they explicitly are calling for the Hero of Time, not any other Link that defeated Ganon. Because Wind Waker is an immediate follow up to N64 games and ignores anything made before them.

>>12630787
No
OOT has two timelines
>entire game through the credits: you beat ganon as an adult, Zelda sends you back in time (effectively removing you from that world), ganon eventually escapes the purgatory and WW happens. “No hero of time” is because that Link stopped existing after Zelda sent him back, has no kids, etc
>entire game after the credits: Link gets sent back in time to the beginning of the whole ordeal, whole world gets reset but he retains his memory and skill, uses this to convince child Zelda that Ganondorf will attack and they manage to ford him off and seal him, thwarting his plan of sneaking into the Temple of Time. This Link goes on to experience MM, grows up, has kids, dies as a Stalfos

>>12630787
The only two Zelda’s connected as far as I know are OoT and MM, w MM specifically stating Link is on a quest for Zelda when he gets side tracked into Termina. I still want that 3rd game but it’ll never happen now. They had a chance when they remade them for the 3ds to do an original game based on those 2 but didn’t because Nintendo hates money I guess. It would have sold a ton of systems and then they could remake it for more money and system sellers like they are doing w OoT and you already know if they are remaking OoT and it moves a bunch of systems they are going to do the same for MM.

>>12630806
That's because all that got retconed into the "Downfall" timeline that they pulled out of their ass. Presumably, LttP is the future of an OoT where Ganon killed Link (and Zelda?) and obtained ultimate power. It would be interesting if the new remake actually follows up on that premise as a post game or FF7 Remake shenanigans. I just dont think Nintendo gave a shit about the pre OoT games for a long time until Link Between Worlds came out, so OoT started as a prequel and ended up being a reboot of sorts for the series lore.

>>12630864
The branching timeline was not a surprise at all considering time travel was the entire gimmick of OoT. If any game were to have that occur, it would be that one.

>>12630957
>There's nothing stopping link from coming back like he does in every game, other than that they wrote that he just doesn't this time.
Pretty sure the entire reason he doesn't come back, is because its the future of the bad future of OoT, when Link is removed from it by future zelda at its finale and ganon breaks free within the same generation and not after hundreds of years. Thematically, you could argue Ganondorf fucked up the spiritual and natural realms so much after he took over, that the sacred realm could not contain him for long.

>>12632216
>The autistic impulse to systematize and categorize everything takes all of the magic and mystery out of the games.
No it doesn't. If anything people are more interested in discussing it as weird magical events like time travel and reincarnation over just saying "oh well, who cares". People like the setting and stories and they enjoy seeing the connecting threads between them.

Zelda continuity is stupid