/vrpg/ — The pathfinder series is a kino vrpg of the highest order. A

>>3925314 (OP)
Kingmaker is doo doo with some fun characters like harrim
Wrath of the Righteous is cool with really annoying characters

>>3925315
Act 4 is cool, suuurrree

>>3925314 (OP)
the games are buffslop. utter garbage.

The series sucks:
-Bloated mess of classes that are barely different from each other.
-Trash encounter upon trash encounter.
-The non combat systems are pure boredom.
-The games are practically a buffing simulator
-Story is very boring and the writing is terrible

>>3925321
Can buffe be redeemed? Pillars have them be active for like 10 seconds, barely worth casting. Maybe combine with one or two bad effects?

>>3925322
>-Bloated mess of classes that are barely different from each other
Finally some anon understands this.
>unfair difficult spikes, like that skinned giant
>story and pacing are all over the place
>woke
>nothing is fun past act 3

>>3925321

You don´t need the buffs on normal unless your builds are shit or you are fighting one of those playful shadow things.

>>3925314 (OP)

They are pre occupied at the moment making a Expanse game which, at this point, could be their big break into the mainstream or become a Mass Effect clone and go unnoticed.

Money says that if that goes well they´ll just leave fantasy to Larian and focus on becoming the high budget sci fi RPG brand now that both Bioware and Bethesda have folded. While i don´t think Owlcat is inferior to Larian in any way the truth is BG3 made Larian insanely popular so competing with them right now seems ill advised. Furthermore it seems the new Fable game will take over Dragon Age market share so things may be too crowded right now.

>>3925366
>They are pre occupied at the moment making a Expanse game which, at this point, could be their big break into the mainstream
No one's going to play it except Expanse fans, and are there really that many Expanse fans?

>>3925314 (OP)
>So, when will Owlcat deliver a third game?
If they do it'll be 2nd edition because of the OGL fallout
which is good because it is the superior system

>>3925366
>sci fi RPG
They are woke slavskis, they will use expanse as stepping stone to bigger brands, rings of time and whatnot. You don't have any business knowledge, fantasising about owlcucks dreaming of sci fi, lol. They will do the same things they did up to date, grasp for the next bigger thing they can themselves prostitute to.
>anon thinks owlcucks have a strategy, kek'd

>>3925378
Rogue Trader isn't woke, I suspect the wokeshit in the Pathfinder games was pushed by Paizo.

>>3925407
I agree with this a lot. That being said WOTR has one of my favorite zones (Alushinyrra) I ever experienced in a CRPG.

>>3925423
Funny, I hated it so much. My second playthrough I dropped the game there because I couldn’t bear to do it again

>>3925322
>>3925332
You don't get it. The entire point is to put together a character by dipping into class levels to get the good shit you want out of them. This doesn't really appeal to most people because it requires vast familiarity with the ruleset and classes.

>>3925439
>The entire point is to put together a character by dipping into class levels to get the good shit you want out of them.
Scrub take, single-classing full casters is almost always better.

>>3925405
Paizo said no. Might be they did, idk.
>rt ain't woke
Huh! Shame I dislike warhammer

>>3925439
I doubt that's the goal in the tt. The fights there are easy af. Pc pf1e has bloated enemy stats.

>>3925439
>The entire point is to put together a character by dipping into class levels to get the good shit you want out of them.
Dips are for faggots. Pure class or GTFO.

>>3925510
Depends, magus is fucking gay. Fighter/wizard is classic.

>>3925862
Magus are one of the best classes in the game, especially Sword Saint and Arcane Rider

Not super familiar with the Pathfinder setting, but both games felt like a chore to play and weren't very interesting, so I didn't get very far.

Their Rogue Trader game though was actively awful and really showed that they had no clue about the RT pen&paper game and know little about Warhammer.

>>3925366
>competing with Larian

Nigger, they release one game every 4-5 years. It's not some saturated market.

>>3925314 (OP)
Only with Aeon and Demon do you actually feel, throughout their entire storylines, that you are actually changing into a different entity. Unfortunately with Demon you have to keep it mostly hidden until Act 4, so Aeon is the only path in the game that serves its intended narrative function.

>>3925864
A strong class does not equal a straight man's choice, faggot.

>>3925862
>magus is fucking gay

lmao

>>3925949
>>3925862
Is Magus the only class where literally everyone plays one of the archetypes, but never vanilla?

>>3926706
I like level 20 vanilla paladin.

>>3925314 (OP)
It suffers the same issue that Pillars of Eternity does. Dead, boring maps. Either the maps are tiny with nothing on them, meant for a single encounter, or have a tiny cave with an encounter inside; both of which are often recycled with small variations.
Larger maps are few.
Cities/human-garbage hubs are a mess, as such things always are.
NPCs yap way too fucking much and overshare and assume you give the slightest of shit.
Companions are repugnant, and the only saving grace of the game is that you have the option to throw them out entirely and hire your own companions that are silent, won't yap during exploration about fucking annoying irrelevant shit with obnoxious turboestrogen voice acting

why is sneak attack so broken in this game, I'm getting wrecked

>>3926915
>the only saving grace of the game is that you have the option to throw them out entirely and hire your own companions that are silent
Many such cases

>>3925314 (OP)
>So, when will Owlcat deliver a third game?
They already said they cut ties with Paizo, so never. They've been working on WH40k games. Finished Rogue Trader and are now onto Dark Heresy.

>>3925883
>Their Rogue Trader game though was actively awful
I disagree in every regard; I felt it was the best of their work so far. No stage felt boring and I played it through in one smooth playthrough.

>>3927866
>They already said they cut ties with Paizo
That's what they actually said? With seemingly that level of finality?
I'd love to see them make a warhammer fantasy game.

>>3925314 (OP)
Owlcat cannot make a third Pathfinder game until the company that owns the IP licenses them to do so. Which is unlikely to happen now that they're trying to make 2nd edition into their flagship... which it is utterly failing to be, because it's a shitty system.
Why won't Paizo and their IP-management company license 1st edition? Because Hasbro/WotC is leaning on the OGL which is what covers 1st edition.
So. What would need to happen? Hasbro / WotC would have to relax on the OGL (they never will, becuase this is a key legal channel by which to attack their only competitor in the tabletop RPG space). Then Paizo would have to relent on their attempt to make 2nd edition Pathfinder into their flagship (they never will, because PF1e is controlled by the OGL, and it would be fucking stupid to make themselves vulnerable to legal attack removing their flagship from their control). And then Owlcat would need to be open to and willing and ready to make a game by licensing it before Hasbro threatens the OGL again (they never will, because it'd be stupid to invest millions of dollars to make a game on a license that could be yanked at any moment).
A third PF1e Owlcat game will never be made. Ever. Fucking EVER.

Don't be angry with Owlcat or Paizo about it. It's entirely Hasbro and WotC being complete shitdicks over it. If you give WotC or Hasbro even a penny, you're worse than any nazi pedophile. Objectively.

>>3925321
Appending "-slop" to whatever doesn't make you sound authoritative. It just makes you sound like a retarded child with a limited vocabulary. Which is ok in this case I guess because that's exactly what you are, but you need to be quiet. Adults are talking.
>>3925325
There isn't anything that needs to be redeemed. The design failures of Pillars are irrelevant here. This is a different game, you know.
>>3925366
>You don´t need the buffs on normal unless your builds are shit or you are fighting one of those playful shadow things.
You don't need buffs on most harder difficulty settings, either, for that reason. It's PF1e. Buffs exist so that inexperienced players can make up for not knowing much about the system through raw numbers. For experienced players, buffs are irrelevant. And that's ok. It's a mark of good game design that the game can allow noobies to engage with it.

>>3925444
Wrong. You can solo the game as a martial. You can't as a full caster. Martials are doing 8k damage per round by level 10. Casters can't even approach that, not even by adding up all the damage an AoE nuke does to all affected targets. Casters don't scale well enough. They just don't. And that's even if you play on a difficulty setting low enough that allows casters to reliably land spells. They're hard capped by their caster levels. Martials are only capped by action economy since weapon damage scaling is on a baseline that far outpaces enemy hit points on a per-hit basis.
You can one-round the dragon in Act 3 with a fucking cavalier, one of the worst, weakest classes in the game. By contrast, it's literally impossible for her to fail any saves on any caster no matter how optimized, and her SR is unbeatable, too. You mathematically cannot land any spells on her if they allow SR or a save (unless she crit fails the saves, but she's blanket immune to most of them due to features anyway, if you check her statblock with a high enough knowledge).

>>3925405
The Pathfinder games doesn't even have anything woke, what are you even talking about?? Are you mad that Ekun, Seelah and Sosiel are black? Is that the whole thing? That's what you're on about? Three black characters in a cast of hundreds means it's woke??

>>3928119
>Become Baron
>return to your capital
>mandatory meeting with the interracial faggot couple and their "adopted" daughter
>"We cant wait to live in your hecking diverse barony m'lady!"

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>>3928119
All the good-aligned gods of the setting are lesbians.

>>3928114
Most reddit niggerlover post award.

>The Loving Place is a cleft in Aucturn where a cloud of strange narcotic gas roils out and spreads for several hundred miles. Creatures that inhale this gas are compelled to capture any intruders, bring them to the Loving Place, and mate with them (regardless of size and species), while carefully ensuring that they do not die. As the prisoners inhale the vapours, they quickly convert to the mindset, and send their squamous children to hunt for their own mates.
James L. Sutter. “Chapter 1: The Solar System” in Distant Worlds, 49. Paizo Inc., 2012

>>3928112
2nd edition is more popular than 1st edition ever was

>>3927835
Get uncanny dodge. Or just don't get hit in the first place I guess.

>>3928124
And they all want Cayden Cailean's cock. He literally fucked the gayness out of them. Can't get more based than that.

>>3928207
MICKED

>>3926915
>NPCs yap way too fucking much and overshare and assume you give the slightest of shit.
This plus the game having like a billion in-engine scenes of some NPC walking up to your character at a glacial pace and gesturing gets absolutely infuriating after a few hours. The same thing happens, but even more in Rogue Trader.

>>3928147
That's simply not true though. It's ok if you like it more, but it isn't true that it's more popular.

>>3928124
>>3928207
That's called bisexuality. They aren't lesbians. The gods of Golarion are just ambivalent about sexuality and gender because they're transcendent beings beyond the bounds, concerns and connotations of matter, including flesh and mortal cultures. They're abstract concepts more than personalities, in the grand scheme of things.
More to the point though, "woke is when gays exist" is such a fucking stupid take. Why isn't woke when you have to eat lunch to maintain your biological processes? Metabolism is also a normal feature of biological evolution, so why are you picking and choosing? Are you not based enough to not need to eat, anons?

>>3928121
Is it mandatory since I never saw anything like that in my game? Did you make choices that made the scene happen, anon? You did, didn't you. You did.

>>3928600
>More to the point though, "woke is when gays exist" is such a fucking stupid take. Why isn't woke when you have to eat lunch to maintain your biological processes?
This is quite possibly the stupidest thing I've read this year.

>>3928604
So you agree that there is no reason to get your panties in a sopping wet twisted knot on the floor over normal variation in biological species. Glad we got that figured out. Now, did you have an actual complaint about the game? Or are you still trying to process the culture war propaganda bullshit you're sucking from Putin's rotting penis?

>>3928606
>Or are you still trying to process the culture war propaganda bullshit you're sucking from Putin's rotting penis?
Damn. Now I can't tell if it was the stupidest thing anymore.

>>3928600
>they're transcendent beings beyond the bounds, concerns and connotations of matter, including flesh and mortal cultures.
But they still fuck like humans.

>>3928606
Having a single dyke, fag or bi god is one thing, having most of your pantheon be like that is indeed woke

>>3927873
No, they never said that, he's making shit up as always. They did say that they weren't making a Pathfinder game any time soon though

>>3928147
>2nd edition is more popular than 1st edition ever was
A significant portion of the Pathfinder player base were DnD players upset about post-3rd edition DnD and wanted to go back to something similar to 3rd edition, and were willing to tolerate Pathfinders goofy homebrew setting to get that.
I’d imagine the number of people who actually want Pathfinder for Pathfinders sake and would be willing to switch to an entirely new ruleset to keep playing Pathfinder is quite a bit smaller.

>>3928147
>>3928704
You must have missed the backlash to the OGL situation. Pathfinder sold out 8 months of stock in 2 weeks after that happened and continued to reap the benefits of WotC's mistake.

>>3928717
I remember reading that people were mad. Do you have any numbers to back up your claim? I cannot find any more recent than 2024, after a brief search (original Pathfinder was roughly 2-3x as popular then. Both were mogged by DnD 5th edition but such is life). I'm not necessarily buying it, because tabletop games in particular are relatively resistant to "you MUST consoom NEW PRODUCT by BRAND". If you're a grognard you can just keep playing the old shit. Doubly so if BRAND does some dumb shit that pisses you off and makes you want to stay away from NEW PRODUCT out of spite.

>>3928721
>tabletop games in particular are relatively resistant to "you MUST consoom NEW PRODUCT by BRAND"
That's Paizo's entire business model, they release adventures and books so frequently because they have a large group of players that buy everything they release. This has been their model since 1e.
Have you been away from tabletop for a while? D&D is like a lifestyle brand more than a game these days. Grognards don't matter when you have the gigantic horde of new players 5e has ushered in. And here's an article about Paizo and Chaosium benefiting from D&D stepping on a rake https://www.dicebreaker.com/categories/roleplaying-game/news/pathfinder-call-of-cthulhu-rpgs-sell-out-dnd-ogl-backlash

>>3928728
>Have you been away from tabletop for a while? D&D is like a lifestyle brand more than a game these days.
Yes. I played 2nd ed, 3rd ed, and 5th ed DnD. Didn’t care for 5th ed and stopped playing. No experience with Pathfinder outside of the Owlcat cRPGs.