/vrpg/ — Red Pill Me

Yes. Why did you drop it? It could not be the combat. It is easy until you hit a few walls later on. The trick is to never spam powerful attacks too much or debuff bosses when they want to buff themselves, they tend to counter with their most powerful attacks. Also try to make sure the field panel is never in the boss' favor

>>3974008
I played it after Chrono Trigger and it was just weird. Made it to some stone town and then stopped playing. The 3 different attacks with different accuracies and the element system just didn't feel fun to do. Does it get better at some point? I literally haven't touched it since I was a kid, just looking for something new to play since I've beaten almost everything else.

>>3974017
Have you played Lunar 1 and 2 on Sega CD not the terrible remakes? If not, start there.

>>3974017
If you are going to play it just once, since you completed Chrono Trigger, then yes, you should play it.

>>3974031
Yes I've played them

>>3974045
But why? I don't like the idea that I should play it just because I played Chrono Trigger. That's like saying I should play FF13 just because I played FF12. What are the redeeming qualities of Chrono Cross that would make someone play it if it was a stand alone game and Chrono Trigger didn't exist?

>>3974122
What you say about Final Fantasy is true actually. Unfortunately, I am biased and have nostalgia for both Chrono games, being one of the few who likes both. The music is the main redeeming quality and the combat is unique. It is one of those games that you play to experience the story.

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Consider the following: Footclussy.

>>3974265
I'm not a degen who likes feet, or cares if a game has hot characters or not. I'm a gameplay andy.

>>3974122
>What are the redeeming qualities of Chrono Cross
A big one is that, like Chrono Trigger, in fact even more so, it's anti-grinding. You can just play through it without any grinding whatsoever and it's balanced well to be played that way.
>>3974017
>The 3 different attacks with different accuracies and the element system just didn't feel fun to do.
You get used to the combat until it feels like second nature.
>Does it get better at some point?
Yes. Stamina management matters more late game than early game. There is much more strategic value to stamina management later on.
>>3974190
>It is one of those games that you play to experience the story.
Yeah.

>>3974272
>I'm not a degen
>I don't care if a game has hot characters or not (I'm not a coomer)
NOT ONE OF US

>>3974280
I'm fine with that. I have a wife and kids. I don't need to goon over video game characters I can just go have sex.

>>3974017
>>3974276
Something to keep in mind with stamina management is that elements use up 7 stamina and do corresponding damage in a single turn, giving them the highest damage per time unit for THAT character. However, they refill other characters' stamina less than normal or strong attacks.
>>3974286
Can you provide a button to click that will allow me to unsubscribe to your blog?

>>3974286
I can have sex with my wife and also goon to video game characters.

Step it up, anon.

>>3973989 (OP)
Just know that it takes like 4 playthroughs, if you know what you're doing, to get a full party.

Chrono Cross sucked and everyone hated it, but now it’s old enough that some zoomers who weren’t alive when it came out watched some ten hour YouTube essay about it and will spout revisionism like “it was a bad chrono trigger sequel but it was still a great game”
>t. played it on release

>>3974337
I always hated what it did to Trigger, but I liked it as an RPG.
>t. played it on release

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>>3974337
>Chrono Cross sucked and everyone hated it
We've already disproved that in multiple threads. Stop pushing your actual revisionism. Being one person who played it on release doesn't mean crap, a lot of people here did.

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>>3974337
>Chrono Cross sucked and everyone hated it

>>3974381
>We've already disproved that in multiple threads
>we
>Being one person who played it on release doesn't mean crap, a lot of people here did.
>a lot of people
Case in point: how old are you, and in what year did you first play Chrono Cross?
Yup, that's what I thought. All you've got are nebulous appeals to consensus (your image also conveniently cropped out all the negative reviews, lol)

I'm over 40.
>>3974337 is wrong.

One thing I find odd is the lack of Japanese websites and wikis for the game. I only found these two:
https://jinsoku.net/chrono-cross/
https://gamerch.com/cc-rd-remaster/

>>3974397
Not him, but the one who created the thread. I'm 35. It came out in 2000 so I played it when I was 10 and didn't like it.

>>3973989 (OP)
It's fine. Second worst square RPG on the ps1 with only FF8 being objectively worse but as long as you don't care about things like good plot or good characters or good combat then you'll have a decent enough time.

It's a very pretty game with good music at least.

>>3974439
>Second worst square RPG on the ps1 with only FF8 being objectively worse
I’d probably put Chrono Cross as tied with FF9 for worst. FF8 is definitely better. Hell, Brave Fencer Musashi might be better.

>>3974442
But FF9 is the best PS1 FF game.
FF7 and FF8 are ugly. Worse looking than FF6.

>>3974442
Nah, FF8 is ten times worse than FF9. FF9's worst sin is that it's standard. FF8 is actively an abortion of a game.

Anyways CC still sucks.

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>>3974397
>Case in point: how old are you, and in what year did you first play Chrono Cross?
I played it when it was new, in the year 2000.
>we
Yes, multiple people corrected you before.
>All you've got are nebulous appeals to consensus
You're the one trying to say there was a consensus that it was hated. Nobody is saying the game was universally loved, but it got a more positive response than negative.
>(your image also conveniently cropped out all the negative reviews, lol)
I didn't intentionally crop anything, I merely sorted by oldest reviews and showed the detailed ones. Because those reviews are from close to the release date.

Feel free to check yourself, I'm not hiding anything. Either way, it's more than enough to prove "everybody hated it" is bullshit.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/ps/196917-chrono-cross/reviews
https://web.archive.org/web/20020209122531/http://www.rpgamer.com/games/chrono/ccross/ccrossreviews.html

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>>3974476
Oh yeah, if you need more personal memories for some reason -
>how old are you
38, so I first played it when it was 12. I had played Chrono Trigger already and loved it. My best friend at the time, who hadn't played CT, also played it and enjoyed it (he came over to my house and we beat Miguel together, good times). On the other hand, my older brother lost interest halfway and never finished, and was disappointed in it as a sequel to CT. He didn't totally hate the game though, he was moving away from playing RPGs in general at the time, becoming more interested in his other hobbies. So there were a lot of Playstation RPGs he started but never finished around then, like Lunar 2 Eternal Blue.

But anecdotes like that are less convincing than seeing actual preserved reviews from the time.

>>3973989 (OP)
Saga series? Tales? Trails? Atelier? Salt and sanctuary, the best indie game?

Mediocre sequel to Trigger that shits on everything Trigger did

>>3973989 (OP)
>Red pill me on this game
It is not a bad game because it is bad trigger sequel. It is a bad game because the gameplay sucks.
>I've run out of RPGs and want something to play.
Impossible for the ps1. Go play random jrpg's and you will find something interesting on the
ps1.
>t gay color orbs in combat
Let's have a color system!
Let's not have mixing or ability to create different color. You know, the entire point of colors?
It is even worse because of the stupid three color field effect.
>Is it worth trying again?
No.

>>3974531
>Saga series?
Did it

Tales?
Did it

Trails?
Did it except daybreak

>Atelier?
Crafting game with a female lead hard pass.

>Salt and sanctuary
Seems decent, but I want a turn based game

>>3973989 (OP)
>Red pill me on this game.
Great music, interesting setting, cool parallel world gimmick. The atmosphere is amazing, one of the best RPGs in that regard. The story itself is interesting, but the late game might disappoint you. Especially if you're a big Trigger fan, some of the connections with that game were handled controversially.

If you enjoy discovering how to collect tons of characters, you'll like that aspect. On the flip side, you might hate that so many characters don't get much development. They also all get their own "accents," which you'll either find amusing or lame. But I had a lot of fun finding new characters and messing with them, even if combat-wise most of them don't feel all that different, and some are vastly better than others. The game has a lot of optional secrets for unlocking characters and things for them. A lot of the characters have something optional to discover for them, like ultimate skills/weapons or some extra hidden story.

Some of the characters have cool gimmicks unique to them. Sprigg can transform into almost any monster in the game, Pip has a transformation mechanic where he can evolve forms. Those two are the most unique, other characters are differentiated by equipment, their stats, element grid, and abilities. I had a lot of fun with it.

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>>3973989 (OP)
I picked it up recently and goddamn is it a gorgeous game. Pretty hard to find anything overwhelmingly negative about it so far, don't see why you wouldn't pick it up and try playing it again. Does not feel like CT sequel for me at all though, just a game loosely based on its world.

>>3974856
>Does not feel like CT sequel for me at all though

because all the CT connections are shoehorned in at like the last 3 hours of the game

>>3974858
I wonder if they attached it to Trigger in hopes of selling more copies or if it was a genuine attempt at a sequel. Very questionable but the game stands well enough on its own

>>3974859
NTA.

Eh, I forget all the details, it's all kinda muddled together, so anybody else is free to correct me where I'm almost certainly wrong, but if memory serves and it probably doesn't:

In essence the guy who did Xenogears was working on a new project, Radical Dreamers independently came out beside it not originally having anything to do with Xenogears guy, and Square decided to cannibalize Xenogear guy's project and to combine it with Radical Dreamers to make Chrono Cross. Xenogears guy has big dreams and a desire to create projects with a large scope, but massive hardware limitations and time constraint limitations back in the PSX days make it hard for him to realize his visions--not so much of a problem for modern day Xenoblade with bigger budgets and better tech.
Cross has strong start but with such a massive scope it just doesn't have enough time for everything. So kind of like how in Xenogears the game just stops and what would've been content but was cut is then recited to you, Cross has several info dumps on the back end where NPCs explain to you what in the hell is going on and serve a similar function.

It's also why Cross features hidden character motives, secret organizations, and how gods or "god-like" entities intermingle with those elements and the people of the Earth, or in this instance El Nido.

>>3974859
Nah, Masato Kato is just batshit insane. The whole game is a weird second take of an earlier game he wrote and directed called Radical Dreamers. This was a visual novel that was only officially out on the SNES Satellaview service until the Chrono Cross remaster. That VN is also a very tangential Chrono Trigger spinoff. Story-wise, I'd argue that Radical Dreamers is the better work. It's way more self-contained and doesn't totally step on Trigger's toes like Cross does.

>>3973989 (OP)
>Is it worth trying again?
It opens with a dream sequence. If you play the game all the way until you get to the dream sequence, and then you end the game and treat it as though it is a game that loops from the beginning to the end (the dream sequence) then it is a pretty good game.

If you play it for longer than that, the 2nd act turns into complete bullshit that doesn't matter and is full of asspulls that don't make any sense, and then at the very end of the game there is a long infodump that makes no sense at all which retcons the game into being a sequel to Chrono Trigger.

>>3974936
>which retcons the game into being a sequel to Chrono Trigger.

its a Trigger sequel from the start.

>>3975278
No.

>>3975442
Umm sweety it has CHRONO in the title. Q.E.D.

>>3975443
Retard.

>>3973989 (OP)

First of all, i love Chrono Cross so my advice may be biased. I´d say it´s one of the best JRPGs from the PS1 era even though it´s flawed. It´s probably only topped by Valkyrie Profile, FF VII to IX, Vagrant Story and maybe Saga frontier 2.

If nothing else the story and OST are fantastic.

You are now picturing the alternate timeline where Xenogears was not garbage so this game was retconned into being Xeno Cross in the last 2 hours.

The one negative I'll give cross for now is that the battle theme is weak as fuck. For a game with so much good music this is the one spot it misses the mark

>>3974856
>dat sky
I miss dithered, early 90's graphics.
It makes me think of a time when women had thick, full, unshaven bushes. Playing video games from that era make me feel like I'm back in those days where I could pull down any woman's pantsu and stick my face into a wonderful, thick, fragrant dark forest.

>>3974466
What, you don't like JRPGs that are aggressively ugly/Western and aggressively disincentivize combat?

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>>3974466
I loved FF8 for all the wrong reasons. My headcannon was that Squall is a card-hoarding murderhobo and virtually every plot point that comes along was a sidetrack to his main goal of collecting every card in the world even if it meant having to rocket himself through outer space just to duel his long lost relative in a children's card game

>>3974466
If you didn’t cry seeing Zell and the hot dogs in the ending cinematic, you have no heart
If you’d spend hours inventing schizoid connections about ff8, you have no brain

>>3975442
then why does the box push the game as one?

>>3977421
>then why does the box push the game as one?
Why was BG3 called BG3, and not "Divinity Original Sin: Forgotten Realms Edition"?

>>3977421
It doesn't.

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>>3977424
>It doesn't.
"Twenty years after the events in Chrono Trigger(tm), a new set of adventurers are preparing for a battle that will surpass even space and time...
"The long-awaited sequel to one of history's favorite adventures"
You did play the game, right, anon?

>>3977606
Using "Twenty years after the events" for a sequel of a game purely about time travel makes this an incredibly confusing selling point. Anyway I'm excited for that lategame info dump the anons above were talking about, right now in the early/midgame if I were to remove a few lines of dialogue and rearranged some music tracks there would be no thread linking this game to its predecessor. Seems unnecessary honestly, it's like marketing FFVII as a sequel to VI

>>3977422
>Why was BG3 called BG3, and not "Divinity Original Sin: Forgotten Realms Edition"?

Divinity and BG3 are not in the same world

>>3977617
>ignoring "The long-awaited sequel to one of history's favorite adventures" quote from the box

>>3977619
Yeah it's all very questionable. I've replayed CT more times than I can count but this one just feels like its own thing so far