/vst/ — Stronghold 4

>>2424084 (OP)
>it's just S1 again because every time we try to make something that isn't S1 it's fucking terrible

I don't get it.
Firefly captured lightning in a bottle with Stronghold and Crusader, and everything since then has been garbage (with the possible exception of 2). Why is it apparently impossible for them to get it right again?
And why have no indie devs tried to fill the niche? There's a huge market for it.

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>Selectable lord models of the characters like in Crusader 2

>Barbaric units and axeman like in SH2

Not sure what else to add, it finally looks like the Stronghold I always wanted, set in europe, skirmish mode and the four dukes in it. Haven't bought a new Stronghold since Crusader 2 and I never played 2, 3 or Legends

>>2424113
Yuge market, seriously, why has no one else tried

>>2424123
>>2424113

its a sign from universe. the task is up to you

>>2424153
>@Grok
>vibecode me a good stronghold game

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABa8V8u6gcM

gameplay up

is it a prequel to stronghold 1?

>>2424084 (OP)
I'm not seeing what this does that original doesn't already do minus the random griefing events. Which you already sort of had with cow plague and wolves and shit.

>>2424165
>it's been 25 years and we still can't come up with any enemy lords more interesting than the original four
What happened, Firefly? Your "gothic dommy mommy" from Stronghold 'definitive' didn't take off?

>>2424304
>Snake
>Wolf
>Pig
>Rat
>Caliph
>Saladin
>Lionheart
You literally cannot get any more iconic than that.

>>2424336
I don't disagree but does every cowardly lord have to literally be The Rat(this game, I heard duke de puce somewhere in this 1hr showcase >>2424165 ) or every shadowy mastermind have to literally be The Wolf(Stronghold 3)
I'm all for fanservice but surely there's been a new thought that occurred to someone over the years.

A message from the caliph
INFIDEEEEEEEEEL

>>2424165
>Stronghold 4
>slavoid plays the demo like Stronghold Crusader
Literally low IQ

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foid detected
game ruined

>>2424113
>>2424113
Honestly ALL they need to do is just make Stronghold 1 but with more content. And I don't mean more missions and maps and the same shit as usual, do something that breaks the mold of "this could literally be made in the map editor 20 years ago". For example make more "factions", think how Crusader had Arab troops and some Arab buildings.
You could even make it somewhat exclusive to your lord selection, fuck, you could branch out and turn it into full blown Total War where you fight over Europe as specific countries with unique units and buildings but get to build cool castles and have fights that aren't just spearmanni lines vs spearmanni lines. Make it ambitious again, not just the same thing again but literally worse in every way. The other Strongholds didn't fail because they were trying to be more than S1, they failed because they tried, and succeeded, at being less than S1. Oh, and do large maps so the castles aren't five centimeters from each other. The Demo looks like they're fucking tiny and that second one makes me worry it's going to be "you are limited to building on specific fucking hills" like it's Warlords or wherever that stupid ass idea originated in.
>>2424084 (OP)
>the walls break apart fully instead of getting chipped away with damage like in S1
Unironically over.

>>2424382
he is a provd dacian

Have they seriously not yet made Frog?

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>>2424084 (OP)
it seems a bit outdated to me? the castles have no verticality, look at that new Bergfried, that's how i expected stronghold 4 to look like

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>>2424084 (OP)
>>2424408
and this is what the castles from stronghold 4 look like, literally stronghold 1 but 3d

>>2424396
>Honestly ALL they need to do is just make Stronghold 1 but with more content.
that's literally what they did and it doesn't look very good see >>2424408 >>2424409 the castles have no verticality and no irregularities, it's conceptually quite outdated

>>2424084 (OP)
dare you enter my magical realm

>>2424408
do you think a studio that had to survive on scraps the last 20 years could afford any innovation

UE5 slop

>>2424435
And they will have to survive on scraps for the next 20 years unless they make something new and good.

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>>2424470
they got bought by a publisher (why?) so it just gonna close them later instead

>>2424495
Good. Firefly is long overdue to be put down.

I remember the hype me and my friend had when we heard that Stronghold 2 was coming out. We were so eager for that game.
And this announcement fills me with nothing. Maybe we're just older, or maybe we know that it's a franchise better left in memories.

>>2424508
Stronghold 2 and legends were the peak of the franchise, they made a lot of shitty decision since than

>>2424113
Indies would rather work with simpler ideas that are less likely to produce a huge failure. Instead of making a complex game like this one, they stick to one gimmick, like just the medieval town sim, or just castle defense survival, or a perfectly regular RTS, preferably fantasy.

>>2424511
foh nigga

>>2424409
Dark ages please understand

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>>2424408
this does look cozy
whats the catch?

Looks fine for an alpha, the bird eye view looks fine until you zoom in. Units and structures look like caricatures and the sliding on the ground walk animation is just horrendous.
But, overall this does look like a good next installment in the Stronghold series.

>>2424579
>overall this does look like a good next installment in the Stronghold series.
Because they're just doing a remake of SH1.

>>2424411
>that's literally what they did and it doesn't look very good see
No, they just did Stronghold 1 again without any new content.
>the castles have no verticality and no irregularities, it's conceptually quite outdated
Just because they decided to pick flat as fuck maps and suck at building aesthetically pleasing castles doesn't mean it's impossible within the Stronghold 1 framework. Crusader was honestly the biggest offender since they tried to make it "balanced" for multiplayer and gave everyone a flat as fuck plain to build on.
But sure, you could just make it so you can make variable height walls and you're already winning a lot in that department - I believe Stronghold already supported this to some degree, since there's no functional difference between Crusader's full and half walls and in terms of pathfinding and such people building custom maps have always used hills to manage wall height. IIRC if you put down a wall on a cliff it would even get a wall texture all the way to the bottom.
Aside from the castle in your picture not being on a grid so it's possible to have many different angles, not just 90 and 45 degree walls, there is nothing in it that would be impossible within Stronghold 1. It's just a castle on a hill.

>>2424694
>doesn't mean it's impossible within the Stronghold 1 framework
anon, it's impossible within stronghold 1 framework

England is so boring
I want french and occitan and Spanish and Italian sheeeet

>>2424084 (OP)
>Hopes
Ha. Calling it now, shovelware #53452342.

>prequel to Stronghold
>but it's literally just SH2 with a fresh coat of paint, possibly UE5slop+some AIslop

Those building designs and textures look so flat and soulless.

They make the game look like it came out 15 years ago.

All the casuals are getting rekt by that demo military siege defense, ballistas are OP and bows/longbows/crossbows don't do much damage compared to Stronghold/Stronghold Crusader

>>2424084 (OP)
it amazes me that firefly still exist just making the same game over and over again except worse than the first time they made it

>>2424790
Getting updated stronghold 2 isn't the worst at least. Still better than anything since then

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>>2424571
>what's the catch

>>2424858
The best feature of S2 was the ability to station units inside towers and not just on towers.

>>2424790
it's literally stronghold 1 tho, not s2

>>2424084 (OP)
Hope you can customize your architecture and walls, always wanted OG stronghold walls in crusades and vice versa

>remaking the same game but somehow worse for 25 years award
how are they so fucking incompetent?

>>2425075
I can't even point out what it is that they keep getting wrong since the jump to 3d but something just is.

>prequel
>not immediate sequel where the Kang betrays the SH1 hero for winning too much and half the kangdom is thrown into civil war

>>2425080
I don't understand how they haven't introduced a builder worker who goes out and constructs/repairs the walls.

The most we can hope for is Arab and Legends DLC.

I just don't care. I've installed crusaderz loaded up a skirmish, saw how tiny even the biggest map is, saw how the ai attacked me in kilometres long lines like fucking ants and then I deleted the game

>>2424084 (OP)
The main avatar there looks like a tranny.

>>2425461
why do you always think about trannies?

A 2d pre rendered isometric castle building game with limited low fantasy elements (a dragon, an army of skeletons)
That's all it would take, I'd play it.
Instead it's Ultra Real Graphics and Gay Retarded gameplay.

>>2424153
>>2424155
Haha good one

>>2424411
>that's literally what they did
That's not true. They LITERALLY have less shit in it.
Also
>woman warrior in promo material
Fuck Stronghold 4.
Fuck Firefly.
Fuck all game devs.