He who reworks the past, erases his future. He who preserves the past, conquers the future.
>LEAKED BUILDS Don't let them erase history. Don't let them lie to you that this never existed. 2018: https://mega.nz/file/nRhmFShK#rjgJXFH5fh7Y9tfIxtH47YuuOOeJhylhrcJfujCdgcg 2021: https://gitlab.com/IllyaTokar/git-days-of-europe 2022: https://gitlab.com/retardedsolutions/git-days-of-europe/ 2023: https://mega.nz/file/bBFGHZJT#a4lNsnLLzHWHG1iic5yHwgL1kK1VAE5qmT2Iqi7k2EM - Hotline Manchukuo https://mega.nz/file/TIMmVBKC#939MhfLfR3G0UQdenlK0R5AY54x8lGlnSs42H8BzHhw - Illusions End https://mega.nz/file/SBtSmZAD#CDYh4s4SBz3GjvBSOjOpQ4RnGgaDhnq39ehNTVFzbhs - Penelopes Web https://mega.nz/file/CZt1CZwa#O0Yfzil-VqfJBwH_yuWvGkbDK5XF7DG5iM7rdO-rqdg - Germany Branch https://mega.nz/file/SJ0HjDrC#jeTd9dcOuCeNpAZvrM_tFJjaSKjWLhVpSibBVqj_eWg - Shifting Tides 2025: https://mega.nz/file/zlZxGZyD#VPPY81gjxfLz7q7ehZ-wKhiw8Dd7eQm9m7M1JRFSLIA - US rework branch. https://mega.nz/file/v5pkzT4Q#YGc0xHjf5ypdI8ccky7fL06lS9fnMLSoqqE2MUSqeWc - Turkey branch.
>HOI4 turns 10 meaning that Germany has been reworked for roughly half its lifetime. >Month late, sub short: TNO limps past the finish line in the race for 600K weeks after TFR took the trophy. >Noted Kamalist Mango T. Lith reveals that he considers all except one reworked US presidents to be fascist white supremacists and that the only good outcome of Yippie is electing a black woman in 1972...? >Leaks reveal that thousands of loc pieces are needed for Yippie to be done effectively making a 2026 release impossible. >Mango outs himself as a reader of /vst/ and proceeds to do damage control over leaks about the loc drought. >TNO devs release a Kaukasien demo based on nulore with no wars to the Steam Workshop. >History erasure: TNO bitterly patches out the last trace of Nowa Polska from their mod. >Unrepentent TNO head janny crashes out over getting his chart leaked, raids /tno/, spams 2016 /pol/ memes, declares hatred of HOI4 and leaves, confusing everyone. >Anon alleges without proof that Ashley rejoined TNO. >New France submod Paris No Longer Responds spotted! >TNO:RA dev reports 30% completion on Dengist Speer loc. >TNO:RA is actively petitioning for content ideas, reach out to them if you're interested. >TNO:RE devs announces new QoL fixes
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Anonymous06/11/26(Thu)00:06:51
>>2426332 What a wonderfully diverse US political arena.... Not! Seriously, almost every President is a bland variation of liberalism and conservatism with nothing special.
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Anonymous06/11/26(Thu)00:20:40
>>2426414 You could say the same about current content
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Anonymous06/11/26(Thu)00:26:30
>>2426414 Erm didn’t you see that they are actually all fascist because uh organized labour and uh uhhhhh
>>2426420 You could say it but you'd be wrong. From left to right and even with the center in between the current content, albeit flawed, has some real standouts. >Hall bringing about a revolution by the ballot to America and going hard against the feds >Yockey doing actual imperial Nazism in America >Glenn unleashing the power of the atom and landing on Mars to own Germany Having these wild cards also helped the more normal people like LBJ really stand out and they come across as more earnest than the plans Mango has where things more often than not boil down to a politically motivated caricature. Even if you're a leftist and want to feel good about yourself presidents like Harrington or a radically reforming RFK are both examples of presidents that could fill those niches so you don't get the bleak Mangoite version with only one right answer instead of several good ones for America. Lastly, diversity of content was really helped by the NPP and it allowing for more out-there candidates that wouldn't fly in the historical duocracy. So of course that's what Mango killed first.
You now remember that you were supposed to have Hall kill the rich liberal oligarchs and be based.
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Anonymous06/11/26(Thu)00:46:03
>>2426337 I’m not playing with a sheboon as leader. America can stay “fascist”
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Anonymous06/11/26(Thu)00:47:45
There's a lot of talk about Chisholm ending fascism but can we see her focus tree or design document to see what she does to fight fascism
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Anonymous06/11/26(Thu)00:50:00
>>2426433 The country sits on their white asses and listens and learns, a black woman is speaking. Seriously though I doubt a design doc has even been made
>>2426420 Not really, all current presidents are distinct enough and can't really confused or swapped with one another. Nixon , LBJ and JFK need no introduction. Bennett's the centrist, Wallace is the South's top guy, RFK and Harrington are the captial L Liberals, Hart is the redditor, Goldwater, Marg Smith and Schlafy are the Capital C Conservatives,and Hall and Yockey are the extremists. Henry Jackson, Kirkpatrick, and Romney are the forgettable ones, but that's mainly due to them having basically no content.
The yippie candidates all kind of just mesh together with even the famous candidates not popping out as much as they should be.
>>2426436 They already had something written up for the old Vote Pig doc. Your guess is as good as mine if they actually did anything with it though.
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Anonymous06/11/26(Thu)00:58:39
>>2426442 Looks like the idea that she destroys the alleged fascism in the USA wasn’t present in the original vote pig document. Must be a new idea Mango is throwing around to virtue signal in the comcord
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Anonymous06/11/26(Thu)01:03:11
>>2426443 Vote Pig was written before Mango was a lead and the original write-up was by QPQ. Yippie has since gone on to be partly reworked multiple times and had its scope massively expanded so it's not an unfair assumption. Though to play devil's advocate: it's possible that Mango's just spewing shit and that anons are over-analyzing what he's saying when he's not exactly the most consistent person out there. Cough cough reworking an entire route because of election butthurt I'm looking at you Romney!
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Anonymous06/11/26(Thu)01:04:16
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Anonymous06/11/26(Thu)01:21:48
>>2426440 Bennett is quite literally the most nothing president in current content. If he weren't the 64 republican nobody would play him, just like how nobody plays MCS.
In terms of the new presidents, Stevenson will be instantly forgettable, possibly Burton and Fong too. To me they just seem incredibly boring. Aside from them, most presidents bring something unique to the table Nixon, Yorty, Connolly - conservative personality-oriented politics (Nixon dictatorship too) RFK - Liberalism Wallace - as you said the south's top guy Humphrey, Reuther - New Deal extremists Goldwater, Reagan, Schlafly - evolution of the New Right Hart - definitely redditor (with good narrative) Rockefeller - Liberal Republicanism
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Anonymous06/11/26(Thu)01:34:21
>>2426455 Most of these are just shades of centrism sadly. Even shitty ones you mentioned like Bennett stand out because normal centrism becomes unique when there are multiple highly colorful options. Just another downside of removing the NPP.
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Anonymous06/11/26(Thu)01:51:45
>>2426455 Recently I was watching a video of TNO and I realized I completely forgot Harrington was a possible president. Who goes with the '68 NPP presidents? They have nothing going on.
The presidents from '64, (minus Bennett) are all really interesting. The '68 RDC candidates are all also interesting. Even Glenn! (may he rest in peace) had a fun gimmick.
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Anonymous06/11/26(Thu)06:54:06
>>2426331(OP) You should shorten Requiem to Req so it slightly stands out more from RA.
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Anonymous06/11/26(Thu)07:35:38
>>2426464 I always saw him as a leftist wish-fulfillment kind of guy. If you're a Bernout, he's your cope in video game form after the DNC raped your dreams to death with a rusty rake. Doesn't make him good and while he isn't my cup of tea I can see why some might especially if they're just in it for the VN aspect. And honestly I'll take a more hard left LARP over the shit we're getting which is trash like Hart just being the most milquetoast Reddit horseshit out there.
In a better world we'd see them swing more for the fences with the NPP guys. But we don't live in a better world. We live in the worst timeline.
>>2426455 Dunno, Burton seems like the most interesting Yippie president to me. It's literally the dark woke path
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Anonymous06/11/26(Thu)09:46:03
I'm gonna be real with the exception of Nixon I don't even understand what even has to go through your heads to give a shit about these people. Aside from the ones that are childish caricatures that a 13-year old would call out for their lack of nuance it's just run of the mill centrist politicians. They have their unique traits but they're only distinct the same way that the other ten centrists running in a pre-Trump presidential primary would be. That's worthwhile to follow IRL because it'll affect my personal life but to spend several years to turn an Axis victory timeline into a deep dive into fifty shades of centrism is the biggest waste ever. You can tell that this was made by someone with a bad case of political brain rot who's way out of his element dealing with anything that requires more than walls of text and should've stuck to making TCT mods instead of turning HOI4 into a game that it isn't.
People who say that TNO devs don't like hoi4 are fundamentally wrong. TNO is not a part of visual novel culture, it's a part of hoi4 culture.
Hoi4 is defined by political sperging and autistic number games. For example BlackICE adds bunch of retarded nonsense and expects you to care about it.
Visual novels have a coherent plot, pacing and structure. It enhances the reading experience through sound, art, etc.
TNO is closer to BlackICE than any traditional visual novel because they bombard you with unrelated events about latin americans and expect you to care. They think that "more words = good" and act genuinely baffled when no one gives a shit about their favorite obscure latin american politicians or a GUI that doesn't affect anything besides number going up.
can you liberate poland in 2wrw? prussia triggering nuclear war is annoying
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Anonymous06/11/26(Thu)13:15:50
>>2426591 They should just disable that shit. It's a relic from the days of total railroading and needs to go.
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Anonymous06/11/26(Thu)13:41:26
>>2426575 BlackICE is nothing like TNO though. It tries to be a highly detailed and historically accurate wargame experience mod that also tries to bring back features and concepts from HOI3 into TNO. It's for WW2 history nerds that want to dig deep into historical events, technologies and military formations. I personally dislike the mod but I don't think you can compare it to TNO at all especially when you take into account that it traces its lineage back to the most autistic game in the series.
VNs, CYOAs, light novels etc can also be bad by the way. For a lot of the countries you're given what's an honest to God VN experience: you mostly read events, it's light on mechanics, and you have music meant to immerse you into what's happening. The problem is that it doesn't end up being very good because all the reworks has made it incoherent, disjointed and broken. A fairer way of putting it is that TNO at this point combines the worst of visual novels with some of the worst habits of "serious" HOI4 modders.
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Anonymous06/11/26(Thu)14:17:42
>>2426661 >It tries to be a highly detailed and historically accurate >It's for WW2 history nerds that want to dig deep into historical events >BlackICE is nothing like TNO though Do I really have to point out the irony in this statement? Should I post a screenshot of how tno dev was enthusiastically talking about how he got an obscure book on latinx politics that's not available online? TNO devs suffer from the same illness, they just take in different direction.
>VNs, CYOAs, light novels etc can also be bad by the way. For a lot of the countries you're given what's an honest to God VN experience The core difference is that in VNs you usually embody a POV of a person and you see the world through his lense. This limits the scope of characters and storylines you must keep in mind to an acceptable amount. In TNO you take a POV of an entire country and you're bombarded with dozens of events about different characters and plotlines that have no impact on anything and aren't worth reading. It's hard to discern whether an event is talking about something important or it's just another "random farmer got his truck stuck". And you're constantly bombarded with these meaningless events with no respect towards your time.
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Anonymous06/11/26(Thu)14:27:11
I have to attribute it to so called "greytides" since it feels like there are dozens of writers each writing his little VN and too many cooks spoil the soup. This is also the fault of teamleads who thought that it was acceptable. These people need to learn about Chekovs Gun and how every element must serve the plot or else it's just a waste of space. The only example where I've seen it happening was guangdong riots where there was another "poor worker gets oppressed" event chain but it actually led to something which made it meaningful. But it's easy to just skip it since it's one of many "poor worker gets oppressed" events and you can't really keep up with all the poor workers since every event there's another worker. This is the same meaningless oversaturation I see in BlackICE which makes me just zone out since I'm not an autist enough to care about all of that. When I boot up Mexico and get 5 events in 15 seconds with 4000 words in total I get sensory overload and want to give up. In NVs that's not the case since you get like 15 words every 10 second if you turn on automatic scrolling. This makes reading much enjoyable and casual. In fact TNO and BlackICE are the most anti-casual mods in every meaning of the word. I think many of the problems TNO has would go away if it was a little bit more chill
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Anonymous06/11/26(Thu)14:31:11
>>2426645 > Railroading is when Germany uses nuclear weapons when you invade their core territory Grow up faggot
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Anonymous06/11/26(Thu)14:37:50
>>2426678 It's fine in BI because it tries to recreate actual history, especially older versions of the mod. It gives you an authentic, historical WW2 experience where you get to retrace the steps of real armies, relive historical battles with historical military formations, and really dig deep into the complexities of technology, logistics and command during WW2. At least when it works as intended.
It isn't fine in TNO because the setting is completely ahistorical and they removed the wargame part from a wargame so much of the historical research is wasted, the replicated outcomes make no sense any more, and you throw away all the advantages of HOI4. TNO is a fuckup that studied for the wrong exam and gets an F while BICE gets an A in its field while also being completely uninteresting spergery to most sane people.
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Anonymous06/11/26(Thu)14:39:49
>>2426686 >Noooo I need my forced game overs There's a reason why no other mod does this shit and it's because it sucks. At least pit some safeguards against having the campaign ruined because this shit just doesn't work in practice.
>>2426689 >It's fine in BI because it tries to recreate actual history >It isn't fine in TNO because the setting is completely ahistorical I'm sorry but I couldn't care less about whether it's historical or not. I don't judge mod by the arbitrary metrics like whether or not the tank is named "poopenfarten1" or "poopenfarten2". I guess I'm not the target audience, but I'm really sick of wehraboos and other autists that think they're much smarter than they really are and sacrifice all the fun to make "historically accurate" slop.
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Anonymous06/11/26(Thu)15:46:04
>>2426729 You're missing the point entirely. I don't like it either. You're wasting your time explaining to me why you don't like BICE's niche because I don't like it either. I think it's over-complicated and a slog. I'm simply saying that you cannot compare the two because being highly historical in a historical setting is fine whereas TNO's OTL slop is nonsense because of the broken timeline And while HOI4 is a functional platform for delivering BICE's military-historical nerdery, HOI4 isn't good for TCTwank.
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Anonymous06/11/26(Thu)16:10:25
>>2426740 I say that this distinction is irrelevant and I wouldn't stop hating TNO even if it was an OTL cold war mod because all the problems I have with it would still be there. I don't know why it's worth even talking about history since it's not something they created. They made the code, gfx and the writing. I judge mod solely by what devs made. Historical accuracy is a fluff and a fine addition but not the foundation of a mod. >HOI4 isn't good for TCTwank. Hoi4 is pretty nimble and you can mold it into anything you want. You can remove the world map and import the TCT code and it would work just fine. The only limit is your imagination.
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Anonymous06/11/26(Thu)16:26:15
>>2426753 That's ok. Hate it as much as you want. It's completely irrelevant. All that's being said is that the Barbarossa simulator is good at replicating Barbarossa with autistic detail and bad at replicating the 1957 mayoral election in Birmingham with autistic detail.
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Anonymous06/11/26(Thu)16:34:16
>>2426762 That's pretty midwit surface level observation. Are you a ra dev by any chance?
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Anonymous06/11/26(Thu)16:49:16
>>2426766 You're mentally ill if you don't understand that the square peg goes into the square hole and I don't understand why you want to pretend to be smart by changing subjects away from that. Yes, it's a surface level observation, thanks for pointing out the obvious. The point is that the TNO devs can't pull off the most basic surface level observation. That's why they're hated while no one cares about the niche within a niche that is BICE4.
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Anonymous06/11/26(Thu)17:15:45
>>2426766 >You have too be a major gameplay autist with a high familiarity with HOI3 mechanics to be a RA dev On one hand, probably true. On the other, this is not the own you think it is. It just means that they're big fucking nerds which might as well be a positive if you're doing nerdy HOI4 mods.
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Anonymous06/11/26(Thu)17:32:40
>>2426771 >that the square peg goes into the square hole Idk what you were trying to say but yes you can actually. I've done it multiple times and I've seen others do wonders with janky hoi4 code. If you can't understand that and think that it's the main "problem" of tno then you're just a close-minded moron.
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Anonymous06/11/26(Thu)17:37:51
>>2426804 >but yes you can actually I meant putting square peg into round hole since hoi4 is a material that can be molded into almost anything. See https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3563827264
>>2426804 YOU FUCKING MORON YOU ABSOLUTE FUCKING NON-HUMAN KILL YOURSELF.
Toddlers learn and collectively know the following: round thing goes into a round hole, things of different shapes go into their appropriate holes.
You, a mentally challenged manchild, think that the fact that you can use a hammer to circumvent this means that you can, in fact, push a round ball through the square shaped-hole, something that any toddler would know not to be the case.
The point is that you can't turn a wargame into a VN without wars and that a VN without wars won't make for a good wargame. How the FUCK can you not understand this? Fuck off from /vst/,you clearly don't even know what a strategy game is.
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Anonymous06/11/26(Thu)18:02:21
>>2426815 >The point is that you can't turn a wargame into a VN You literally can. It has been done before. Hoi4 engine allows that. Your premise is objectively wrong. If that's an "ought" statement then I would ask who the fuck you are and why do you feel entitled to say what people can and cannot do with the game they bought?
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Anonymous06/11/26(Thu)18:40:18
>>2426829 >You can turn HOI4 into TCT therefore you should Nah, have HOI4 be HOI4 and TCT be TCT. Don't revolt against the laws of nature. You'll lose just like Mango, Lamounier and Kateryna and then God will stomp on your stupid face for walking the same path as those retards.