/xs/ — Is it time to accept that Caucasus wrestlers have debunked s

All they've done is demonstrate how dumb the octagon is
They literally just push people into the wall, it's a good strategy but it only works because of the weird environment the cage creates
If it was in a normal ring or an open mat the whole thing falls apart like a house of cards

By the way this was always the point of the cage, remember UFC was originally designed to be a gracie jiujitsu commercial, they designed it to aid their fighting style which at that time was the same. Bum rush the legs and pin against the wall. Watch grecie challenge videos and you'll see that's what they do

Then the meta shifted and now that gay boring lay and pray shit is back again
What's old is new again, history doesn't repeat but it rhymes

This will be the death of the UFC though
The brand is already in decline and now you have champions that just rear body lock and run the clock, nobody is gonna watch this shit

>>240428
Should ufc bring pride rules back?

>>240455
Would be a big help
That low single from way outside is only viable because he's immune to getting punted in the mouth

>>240456
They need to being yellow cards back to fuck with their earning and allow knees to the face when they go for mindless takedowns with no way of punish them.

>>240427 (OP)
They've also made the sport boring as fuck. The only entertaining Dagestani is Makhachev and he isn't beating Jack.

Christ will return and they will pay their debts in the end

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>>240427 (OP)
>debunked striking

>>240427 (OP)
Ground game is for when you can afford to be on the ground, and that's not usually the case in the real world where friends and rando's will stomp your head in while you're trying to roll around on the ground. You need to have skill in both stand up and ground fighting.

>>240682
you can throw people instead of rolling on the ground, you know

>>240682
In a way. But its for sports because it relies on both parties following the rules.

You cant grapple me if I just crush your balls or gouge your eyes.

>>240471
>allow knees to the face when they go for mindless takedown
Arent those already allowed?

>>240427 (OP)
There's only 3 of them that are champs right now and they've all lost before except Khamzat, who's nearly lost.

>>240428
>strikerfag copes
>>240625
this nigger gets it

kumshot was insufferable Saturday. He should not be champion because that wasn’t fucking fighting, ddp smiling like a retard the whole merry way too. and that little dicksuckle arman, god I would love to just kick him square in the balls from behind the arrogant fuck.
Merab and ilia are way more interesting than the dagi fucks. even if merab still has similarities to them, and i get how some people can find him boring, his judo is pure pottery. I like sandhagen but he’s got no chance
Khabib is gay for not fighting Tony but it was interesting seeing a lighter guy do a sort of Cain v style no doubt when I first watched him…. Then it’s like ok dude… the same thing each fight. Islam is a little better but him not fighting ilia goes to show how bullshit ufc is. Fuck umar that quick little faggot I’m glad merab raped his soul into humiliation, if muslims are capable
Ank seems like a chill guy, I hope Alex gives him a seizure with the first punch of the first round tho.

SPIDER IS THE GOAT
I HOPE TOM VORES GANE IN THEIR OCTOBER FIGHT

They didn't debunk anything, they are simply well-rounded in a promotion where most of the top fighters are pure kickboxers whose grappling skill extends to scrambles to standing, two chokes and desperation armbar attempts

>>240783
>you can throw people instead of rolling on the ground, you know
Right, my point is that stand up fighting should be trained as should ground work for real world situations, and while ground work is arguably better for competition, it's usually the last resort for non-competition defense.

>>240427 (OP)
All they have demonstrated is that people who practice more at a high level will usually win more

MMA rules but on a basketball court and no gloves or wraps. See what happens.

Maybe a lot more muay thai kicks and elbows and knees?

>>242706
You should check out King of the Streets
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4w4WY2fx7A

>>242708
That's exactly what happens. It becomes mainly kickboxing


But the nerds here will say KOTS fighters are "untrained thugs" lmfao

>This is real fighting! We are so fucking tough noone can beat our dudes barehanded
If it's real then have no rules
Finger grabs, eye gouges, soccer kicks, aim for spine and throat, fucking SPITTING, throwing you out the cage. All that
>We need rules because we need to protect or fighters (it'll cost us medical aid money and star promotions. They only have 2 eyes lmao)
Then spitting, grabbing the cage, knees with 3 points down, Speedos, uniforms, stomps, etc. Should be fine. All bare knuckle. We palm strike now.
>Noone wants to see that, that looks savage or taints the looks and brand. Le noble warrior (money bro. We sell gloves and shit)
So it's a sport
>Of course. We aren't street fighters.
>That's why we do rounds, TKO, time limits. It keeps it fast and ends in time. Very entertaining and good for the kids.
>But we want to keep it as close to the real thing we can. While keeping the money I mean the fighters wellbeing in mind
>But keep it fair for grapplers. We are MIXED martial arts.
Then why count control time? Why give points for ground and standing control time if we all know it's got no actual benefits in a real fight (if you tire me and I kill you I win. If my friends come over I win. If you CAN'T submit me or knock me out you DON'T win.) and no benefit in a timed match that turns boring when our fighters just hug for 15 minutes? We can count take downs and slams even if they do little in a match because IRL you break your shit on concrete (Also because it's fun, just like striking). Then we countdown a minute of ground/stand control and then we stand/separate fighters. It's fast, it's active. Maybe the one that takes you down has to stand up quick or it costs him a point after 1:30 minutes. This also simulates my friend kicking him in the head AND makes ground game fun and explosive switching speeds and dominance in a second.
>This isn't the olympics faggot. This is real life!! (BJJ money. We invested in bjj. Also Slav and Arab money.)

>>242741
what the fuck are you rambling about you schizo

>>242745
Idk maybe read better bro
That does the trick

>>240471
grounded knees benefit grapplers
>grounded knees benefit grapplers
grounded knees benefit grapplers
>grounded knees benefit grapplers
grounded knees benefit grapplers
>grounded knees benefit grapplers
grounded knees benefit grapplers
>grounded knees benefit grapplers

>>242909
And that's a good thing. People liked Khabib even though he's a grappler because he would maul people with ground and pound.

Grounded knees = more finishes for everyone = more viewership.

>>240427 (OP)
Who are they fighting? We are busy trying to make a living.

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>>240427 (OP)
>Wrestler's peak performance vs Striker's most mediocre performance

>>240427 (OP)
All of them literally train striking. Zabit Mahomedshapirov and Muslim Sakilov specialize in it. The 5 Directions school consistently produces great striking athletes.

>>244334
Doesn't matter because your end goal when participate in this shit is to get money without turning your brain into mush in the process. If wrestlers pull that off, then they did the right thing, no matter how boring it may look to others. Tony Ferguson tried to be entertaining and look where he is now, a damaged wreck with less money than Khabib

>>240427 (OP)
Why western fighters don't train wrestling as much as them? They always go for bjj which has no takedowns and no pins. Craig Jones is marketing himself like antidagestani but had zero success.

>>242741
>throwing you out the cage
The cage should be considerably larger too. This should make it easier to maintain distance from wrestlers.

>>250277
BJJ is trendy in the west ever since it was used as the basis for UFC

>>244334
That was an early stoppage

>>240427 (OP)
It's a shame Khabib v GSP never happened. If he'd been able to match Khabib in wrestling and beat him, it would have underlined the need to improve stand-up game and have that option for when you face another elite grappler. But there aren't really any well-rounded guys who can show them that now.

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>>240427 (OP)
Remember when Rousey lost and everyone was like "she's the sea song of grappling in MMA, the last pure grappler champion" KEK

>>253484
That was a good day. And Zhang, Rose and other ladies came along that could grapple and actually strike too. So Ronda looks even dumber in hindsight.
It's a shame, instead of being looked at as a pioneer, Ronda is laughed at because of what a shitty person she is.
GOAT Nunes bless. Thank you for beating the piss out of Ronda.

>>253484
all due to her deranged coach trying to make her box

>>240428
Hélio Gracie fought everyone, in all kind of different places.

>>240427 (OP)
Why do they all do that beard

>>250277
>zero success
You mean like when his student Jack Della Maddalena beat Belal Muhammad and stuffed most of his takedowns? Then became welterweight champ? Yeah no success at all.

>>255350
Belal is literally american. We have seen JDM trying to octopus Islam lol.

>>240427 (OP)
many of those in the pic were better strikers than wrestlrers, some were beaten badly by strikers... there is nothing about wrestlers that made them superior in any way to the regular lanklet ufc champions

all types of fighters and fighting styles proved their point, it is a matter of wich fighter is better at that point, nothing more, nothing else.

UFC have proven once and for all that all fighting styles and types of bodies can fight and win

>>240428
The appeal of mma is: can human ingenuity and skill (strikers) overcome the old classic (grapplers). The audience is always on the striker's side by default. Think DDP Vs Hamzat

>>249841
That's a good point. I like watching the midget divisions, because they're more agile and way less likely to get brain damage.

>>255954
casuals just hate anything that's simple but effective, whether in grappling or striking. i've seen people booing strickland because of his simple 1-2 style.

>>242909
And surely benefits successful takedown defence , it seems prime time for a knee to the head after stuffing a takedown no ?

>>242741
>keeps it fast and ends in time
They can still fit the fights in their respective 15 minute gaps, do one or two 5 round main events (spread them around if you want to fight boredom, make people buy chips and beer all night instead of dropping last minute, and make the last fight feel fresh), and the last fight of the day should last til someone drops or gives up. A proper last stand. At least make it optional for more money and a special BMF title if there's no belt.
Where's the 45 minute fights for a belt? epic slugging each other's tired selves into mush? wuzzes being booed out of the place? where pinning and dragging people on and around the ground is just wasting energy if you get nothing out of it. Where you can jab and teep someone all day and it means nothing unless they go down at some point?
Maybe give a chance to a fucker that just faught that day and wants money, fame and feeling like a warrior. When are we Sakuraba-ing again?
What do they need the place for after the 5 rounders? what would make them more money than dudes going at it at a dick measuring contest? child trafficking conventions?

>>255808
Belal trains with Khabib's team

>>240788
You won't do shit faggot. I'll control both your arms and choke you to death while your gf watches.

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>>240427 (OP)
>when a striker does something so grapplephobic you hit them with the dagestan stare

>>257659
Doing a few camps with a Dagestani team well into your professional career as an adult =/= training Dagestani your entire life from childhood to adulthood

>>242741
>you should lose a point for maintaining control of your opponent
why dont you just watch Powerslap or Run It Straight you fucking retard

>>260511
JDM never trained with the Dagis and beat someone who had for a few years. You can stop moving the goalposts now.

>>242741
This post was written by a kid who watches Adin Ross streams and drinks 4 monsters a day

>>240455
Can someone please educate me on why this would be a good idea?

Regards,
The Administration

>>260764
>beat someone who had for a few years
You act like Belal has been in the mountains for years straight, when the guy does a single 3 week camp with Khabib's team and spends the other 11 months training in Chicago. Belal doesn't fight like a Dagestani. He fights like Belal.

>>261630
seeing crotch-sniffing wrestlers get soccer kicked and curbstomped would be heart-warming because i fucking hate wrestlefucking

The fact is you should be allowed to grab the cage, there's no good reason why you can't
If you're allowed to push someone against it theres no justification to not being able to hang on to it to pull yourself up

>>261654
Unironically ditch the octagon and just have a big ass open mat