/xs/ — What martial art is best for a a self defense context?

don't worry about sparring in mma, listen to your coach on that. Rolling should be done ASAP amap

The best self defense is always walking away or running away from a situation.

MMA is great, but you can still end up at mcdojos
Any martial art school/gym/dojang/dojo/whatever worth their salt will have their members competing on at least an amateur level and have some wins under their belts. A boxing gym would have its members competing in boxing, judo practitioners in judo tournament, etc.
Beware of strip mall dojos where the owner is a 9000th degree black belt who competed in a million secret underground death matches.

>>251754
Okay what is the minimum time you will recommend?

>>251757
why are you worried about that? Why don't you focus on finding a coach that will be willing to take you?

>>251752 (OP)
>What martial art is best for a a self defense context?
Boxing, Kickboxing, Muay thai, Wrestling (I would say catch above the rest, but it's rare), Sambo, Judo, BJJ and Karate. Not in that order. Being proficient in any of these styles (that is, constant training after dominating the basics, which takes a couple of years usually) would give you the ability to annihilate and opponent that is: Roughly your size, untrained, unarmed and alone. If any of these variables change to your disadvantage, obviously your odds of "winning" or even surviving an encounter will go down, drastically.
>I live in Canada so I can't (own a gun).
You probably can. I'm not canadian, but I find that in many countries gun ownership isn't just an open and shut case. Check the /cangen/ thread on /k/.
>>251755
>The best self defense is always walking away or running away from a situation.
This anon is kind of right. You could even go further and argue that the best SD is just...not being in the many places or situations where a SD situation could develop. But naturally, this would mean you would live in a bubble of fear, therefore, the premise has it's limits.
Same thing with the >just run away argument. There are times where you just cannot run or walk away. Shit needs to happen. But that doesn't mean that it's bad advice.

First of all Anon, what is actually going on? You don't have to provide specific details, but it sounds like someone, or a gang, is trying to jump you. Maybe the best move here isn't to have a western showdown and beat them with your pugilistic skill. We live in a faggotified world. If you defend yourself against a pack of subhumans, my guess is that there is a judge or two out there who wouldn't have any qualms to send you to the slammer because of it. And once you're in there, you will most likely fuck up your life one way or another, including but not limited to becoming tyrone's girlfriend in a 6x8 feet cell.

Its simple, learn to pummel inside position, clinch and knee
Learn to stuff shots and wrestle up
Learn a solid 1 2 3 and a front kick

You're now basically immortal in any fist fight outside of a professional environment

>>251786
>First of all Anon, what is actually going on? You don't have to provide specific details, but it sounds like someone, or a gang, is trying to jump you.
It's nothing about that it is just that all my life I have been pushed around because I am afraid that I won't know what to do in a physical confrontation and I just want to know what to do if the time comes

>>251811
You sound like you want to learn martial arts to be a bully and can't take a little bit of struggle in your d2d

>>251813
I don't want to bully or act like an uncivilized degenerate, I just want to have the ability to act and feel confident in a confrontation

>>251816
I just feel like your idea of confident is acting like an asshole because you're sure you could beat up other people.

>>251818
No it's not, I just typically backdown from most confrontation because I am afraid it might turn violent and I won't be able to do anything

>>251811
That's fair enough. It's time for you to square up then. Pick one of those, don't over think it, and just show up to class. After a certain amount, stop and analyze your position. Am I in a good gym? Am I being properly trained?
Again, after a couple of classes. Now it's the time where you shut up and do the work and prove you're actually stopping the process of being a bitch. Good luck.

>>251755
You can tell you're in a real dojo when literally all the regulars are continuously working around injuries. Soon you'll be one of them.

defendo

>>251752 (OP)
More like martial ass lol

>>251752 (OP)
Size + strength + athleticism and cardio is probably most important

i asked the exact question you did recently, OP
>>251786
>BJJ
>for self defense
lmao
>>251752 (OP)
>get decent as fast as possible
the answer i came to was krav maga.
people say it doesn't work against other martial arts very well, but you're not fighting elite martial artists or MMA cage fighters, you're fighting some crackhead or diversity hire who doesn't know how to throw a punch.
it teaches de-escalation, but also fighting moves designed to be hidden, you can't tell they are coming untill you are hit. methods to counter attackers and the most effective ways to immediately end a fight. I've had a few lessons and i already feel infinitely more confident in my ability to fight and i hate that this sounds like a sales pitch but fuck it, that's what you;re getting. you will get decent really really fast at krav maga because it is designed to be taught to the israeli military in a very short period of time, the belt system is just to rope in westerners. you can learn everything important very quickly.

btw krav maga teaches you to deal with armed opponents too.

Let's share
I've got a related thread in mind
So I'll just tumor here a bit

What do you think of getting together with randos in their houses and learning useful self-defense and fighting "from scratch"?
Yeah, not very safe because you can get some violent retard or your neighbour may decide to shoot you in his house but that's always a risk in a dojo or a book club, too.
>find out about it near you
>it changes places depending on when someone has work or whatever
>lawns and parks are your dojos
>focused on sparring, drills and tips. solo work and conditioning is second and recommended to do on your own time
>bunch of working dudes in jeans sharing judo gis when it's their turn to grapple
>No beginners only rule. You do some classes on the side, get a judo guy, a boxer, an army guy. Everyone tries and talks about what they know and apply it in a streets rules scenario.
Read books, watch videos, watch fights and try new stuff as research. You get together and practice and spar using all you know, observe the others and give tips. Time goes on and everyone gets better and the dumb stuff is weeded out with observation.
Use goggles to finger jab each other. Go practice shooting at ranges. Do groups vs 1 or 2 to practice handling movements and picking people out. Practice handling knifes on actual spars instead of "I'll come to you like this *siff arm overhead stab* and you slap me and I die". Stuff like that.
Results may vary on the level of autism on the room and there would be no-one to cry to if you snap your shit or someone locks your arm a little too hard.
But if you keep kids and ladies away to avoid "issues" it would work, right?
Would you be up to it?
How do I make this as enticing as possible not to have to go to gay classes of shit that doesn't work irl and help people feel safe on the same move?
Of course it builds a stronger community, too.

>>253024
congratulations, you've reinvented yet another "crappling" school. Great idea to just get everyone to be bad at everything teaching other people their autistic special interests. Just go join a real gym that fights, anon.

>>252967
Krav maga doesn't do full contact sparring so when you get taken down by surprise you'll wish you just did bjj so you can actually get back up or break the guys arm

>>253031
I've said to go to classes
And it's not a pick your own adventure thing
It's a "we take the rules out and adapt stuff" thing. No "but I want to do Aikido" thing. A "this 69 position we are doing let's me bite his nuts. block or get out quick. let's go"
You WILL get poked 40 times with a wooden knife at least once a week or fuck off.
No teaching out boxing to a midget either. No weight classes.
It's a "get together" to practice shit and wonder "but what if I could donkey punch you when you do this judo thing?" (as rules tend be used in propers gyms. and "real stuff" tends to be shit, expensive & with bad partners. also not many "3 on one on the park" things)
A lose schedule, no pay = able to come often, no half an hour of calisthenics unless you are hanging out or afterclass. No "fight this retard that refuses to learn or pull punches".
and I may be wrong but I'll bet some ching chong didn't come out the pussy knowing monkey paw
you figure it out. you spar. you get hit. you share ideas and try stuff. hear stuff and try those. have someone always watching while resting.
eat every punch. "should move my head". eat more. "dude, the guard should keep up with the head movement". shirt gets grabbed. "pull your punch as fast as you throw it!". timer alarm. "Let's drill this sequence before the next sparring".
"hey, let me see this throw you did earlier" I fall into you purposely during it "your knee and head hit the mat hard. imagine concrete now. not good. let's see why and how to avoid that"
That's how you invent "the Philly shell" eventually.
Needless to say most people into this already do or did martial arts + have Internet. And you could have routines for out of shape dudes wanting in, and an entry fitness test just in case.
Have some house rules (ex: at least touch spar 3 rounds every class, only our teens allowed, we pay for fixing stuff together unless *idiot*)
I have a dream, anon...

>>253024
>No beginners only rule
>How do I make this as enticing as possible not to have to go to gay classes of shit that doesn't work irl and help people feel safe on the same move?
You can't know what's "gay and doesn't work IRL" if you don't know what works to begin with. Ironic you have a no beginners rule when you yourself are clearly a beginner.

>>253052
>No teaching out boxing to a midget either.
"You can't do X unless you have a certain body type" is fake and gay.

>no half an hour of calisthenics
>Have some house rules
>And you could have routines for out of shape dudes wanting in, and an entry fitness test just in case.
Cool you just added all the gay shit you said you were trying to avoid.

>That's how you invent "the Philly shell" eventually.
We already invented the philly shell. All this stuff was developed under specific constraints, aka the rules you abhor so much. "we take the rules out and adapt stuff" no you're not, you're just going to develop your own variant that works under whatever rules you inevitably will end up using.

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>>>253024
>"How do I make this as enticing as possible?" (when inviting at a gym, later at untrained people)

>>253338
>"How do I make this as enticing as possible?"
>help people feel safe on the same move?
>this 69 position we are doing let's me bite his nuts
lmao

>>251752 (OP)
Asking what martial art is best for self defense is the wrong way of thinking.

What you need to be good at self defense its the following
-the ability to go from 0 to 100 instantly.
-the ability to end the fight with one technique
-Footwork to avoid getting cornered or surrounded
-The ability to identify the moment they reach for their weapon and attack at that moment.

No martial art gives you that but whatever style you pick, literally whatever style it is, you need to be able to do these things if you want to be able to defend yourself, any other answer is wrong because no style prepares you for that but if you get good at these things literally it doesn't matter what style you do, you'll be fine.

Honestly I think every martial art has huge problems in terms of self-defence but I think judo is the least bad. Boxing has a horribly limited scope with participants only able to punch less than half the body but if you’re going to limit your scope to one set of techniques knocking someone out is better than kicking them in the shins (yes, that’s a real combat sport in England, created mostly to troll historical regulators), and the one scenario of someone trying to punch you in the head is probably the most common type of attack in the world. Judo throws have a good ability to end fights like boxing punches, with the advantage that judo teaches you some other techniques as well for situations that don’t call for slamming someone into concrete. Brazilian jiu-jitsu, an art which shares DNA with judo, is worse because it over-emphasizes ground combat which is a risky place to be in the streets and it deemphasizes throws which are very useful there.

>>251752 (OP)
Avoiding-niggersfu.

>>251752 (OP)
Offense is the best defense and there's no way to avoid it. Reaction is always hundreds of milliseconds slower than action and if someone looks like they're about to jump you, you better attack first. Otherwise you'll end up out cold after a sucker punch and no amount of training is going to save you. To be able to entice violence you need to be athletic and you need to master at least one offensive technique. With these presuppositions you only have a limited scope of martial arts that actually work. It's boxing and any other similar striking art that teach you how to really fight and not practice static katas. Freestyle wrestling and MMA are generally good but you really need to know how to throw a good one two. Sparring is a must until you're no longer afraid to eat a few shots and keep retaliating.
There's no way around it, kid. You either speak violence or you don't.

>>252967
>nooo BJJ won't work because I watched 3 reels where a dude gets into guard at a tournament
>my very few lessons of krav maga (a style well known to actually be less effective than just running away because it gives you false confidence or only works against towelhead children) are so much better
retard
>>252968
No it doesn't. Grab a friend and give him a red marker. Tell him to pretend it's a knife and try your gay "desarming" techniques. You will get mauled.

>>253829
I like this mongoloid. Go ahead OP, assault a motherfucker and go to jail over some trivial shit like this subhuman.
>Otherwise you'll end up out cold after a sucker punch
nigger if the average thug haymaker knocks you out then you either have the reflexes of a sloth or zero real training.
>There's no way around it, kid. You either speak violence or you don't.
my sides

>>253834
This guy imagines himself evading all punches in the world like Mayweather.

>>253024
>sees gay, dead, low efford thread about a thing that belongs to a qtddtot
>tries to liven it up with a constructive thing to talk about and shape together
>OP fags out and replies him with his retard rp every chance he gets
>Anon gives up on raising and sharing his Holyland with us
>OP fought against his own thread all along
>His desired martial art, washed away in the waves of time due to his own autism
another tragic tale of 4chins

>>251818
>I just feel like your idea of confident is acting like an asshole
that is a textbook exemple of projection. in none of op's posts was anything mentioned that comes even remotely close to sounding like he wants to bully someone. learning to defend yourself is as important a skill as learning how to cook for yourself. you need it to survive.

>>251752 (OP)
Do one teach one fu

>>255827
>constructive thing
>guy with no martial arts experience: "I'm going to invent my own martial with blackjack and hookers!"

>>251752 (OP)
probaby kickboxing + judo
Kickboxing so you learn the merits of not dodging (because many people have been felled for over-dodging into a shin or a fist
and judo beccause you need to learn how to fall and not break something

Basically imo the best thing you can learn about in martial arts is how to get hit and how to not die from a fall, which are frankly great skills with many benefits that are easy to learn

>>251811
Go do muay thai. It's gonna teach you take/give punches, and there's clinch work that's like half-assed wrestling/judo so you'll learn to tussle. You'll die to an actual boxer/wrestler punching/grappling wise but you will at least know what to do more or less.

Sanda also works but impossible to find.

>>251752 (OP)
Just like what wins wars. Distance distance. Ultimate distance is to avoid dangerous situations altogether, next distance is running when something pops off, after that it’s weaponry that gives you length and can be thrown like a nice sized rock. Unarmed it’s boxing, then kicking, then wrestling if you were retarded enough to let an utter stranger in a night altercation that close.

>>253819
I feel like Judo gets talked up a lot for self-defence by people who aren't actually heavily training in Judo, and I say that as someone in my country's national Judo team (and former BJJ volunteer coach).

Don't get me wrong, it's great and I love it, but when I hear people talk about it online, it unironically feels like how people spoke about BJJ 20 years ago, where it's some mystic art that can make you slam someone into concrete and kill them if you want. Those massive slams you see on highlight reels are like 1/10 matches unless you've got some Olympian competing against a hobbyist. Most of the time it's shitty drop attempts or someone tripping themselves after grip-fighting for 3 minutes, just like how most BJJ matches start with shitty wrestling attempts for 4 minutes unless someone pulls guard.

I'd argue it's because Judo, like BJJ, is more focused on the sport, and when the rules become more restrictive, it lessens it as a full self-defence art. I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing, competition results are what gets places funding to spread it more, but I think people have a weird idea of how average Judo classes end up.

In terms of self-defence, de-escalating the situation is by far the best way. I've personally been in like 3 "fights" in pubs, 2 of those ended with me jabbing a guy once and they sorta agreed to stop, and the third one I just threw the guy (o-goshi) lightly because I had like 60kg on him. But you should hardly ever need to fight, or worry about being in a fight, if you're not a retard.

If you are a retard and fight all the time, Judo is good if you're fighting 1 person and you start facing each other like gentlemen, but I feel like that's way less likely to happen. 1/?

>>263966
The reason I think Judo isn't as good is because there's little to no defensive grappling taught, especially on the ground. At all the national and international training camps I've been to, I think we've gone through chokes off your back maybe 6 times, sweeps maybe twice and I've never been taught in a single Judo class how to stand up. It's always get to turtle and defend from turtle. Judo is best for self-defence if you're the aggressor and it's an even field.

It's why I think BJJ is the best for defensive self-defence, even with it not being complete. Because BJJ and wrestling are the ones that actually teach you to get back to standing, where you can then run away. If you do Judo and someone tackles you to the ground from behind, nearly none of what you learn is going to help you get away from the situation. Wrestling will teach you how to get out, albeit without knowing choke defence, and BJJ will help you not get choked while you can try and get up and run.

The whole BJJ doesn't teach you to get someone to the ground issue is fine because if you're standing, you can always just get out of the situation. Now if we're talking about training someone to fight in a match then yeah Judo is great, throw someone and get on top. But assuming you aren't a degen getting in street fights, BJJ is the one that's gonna help you more when you're in the worst situations.

TL;DR: Judo good when you're the aggressor, BJJ better if you get jumped/worst-case.

>>263966
>>263967
I didn't mean to blogpost so hard. I just find it so weird when I look in r/Judo or places like that and it's some guy writing paragraphs about how Judo is the best art and would beat wrestlers, and it's some 2-year orange belt who hasn't competed once. The deepthroating of Judo by people wanting to compare martial arts and who've barely trained it is insane lately. It's great, but it definitely has a ton of flaws, like all arts do.

i think its krav maga, it was developed for a military actually, so it teaches stuff like how to fight someone with a knife or other stuff etc etc..